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overkill13··4 votes·7,270 views

Can people please stop playing mid laners as supports. It's not fun for anyone except for the support. Like for instance, these champions Annie Velkoz Veigar Karma Lux. I see these being used as a support so often, and yet they aren't supports. They might have one ability that provides cc, but that's it. Sincerely, a support main who's fed up with AP supports.

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Anastaecia3 votes

Karma and Lux are "support" as secondary roles. And Karma has mostly been used as support for a long time. BTW, she has 2 ccs and a shield (all of which can be buffed by her ult)...sounds like a supp to me. And Lux also has 2 ccs and a shield. She isn't used as supp much atm, but months ago, she was mainly used as such. Things change. Even champs that were introduced as one thing are now mainly another. Kindred (adc), Graves (adc), Ivern (supp), are all jgs as an example.

chipndip11 votes

Kindred was made as a jungling marksman. Now they're bad, but that hasn't changed.

Ivern was made as a jungling enchanter. Hasn't changed either.

Only Graves fits your example.

Also, Lux support is bad. It only bullies tank supports, but tank supports are generally rubbish atm anyway.

Anastaecia1 votes

Ok, but the other two prove my over all point. A champ doesn't have to only be used in one role. The bottom line is you are trying to win the game, if an AP supp gets it done, so be it. They aren't played enough to make it a thing. Perhaps the OP gets unlucky and plays against more than avg.

As far as Lux (or any other champ in any other role)....it's real easy to talk about this champ beats that champ or group of champs....that is if you are pro. Most of us can get away with off meta stuff because the surprise of it is usually enough to throw off the opponent for simple lack of game knowledge.

ihturito31 votes

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Karma and Lux are "support" as secondary roles. And Karma has mostly been used as support for a long time. BTW, she has 2 ccs and a shield (all of which can be buffed by her ult)...sounds like a supp to me. And Lux also has 2 ccs and a shield. She isn't used as supp much atm, but months ago, she was mainly used as such. Things change. Even champs that were introduced as one thing are now mainly another. Kindred (adc), Graves (adc), Ivern (supp), are all jgs as an example.

she was supp before remake

Althasizor2 votes

Karma doesn't belong on this list. She shields, roots, and slows. She also doesn't need to take kills or CS to remain relevant as a support as the game goes on.

Need Gold 4 Tent1 votes

the concept of "death is the best cc" is a valid one. the fact that you are fed up (i'm assuming going against them) perhaps means you are having trouble dealing with them? if not, just enjoy the wins. else, just hop on the bandwagon.

overkill131 votes

Actually it's because i'm getting sick and tired of seeing supports deal half of someone's health and still be "support" because they built a starting support item.

Need Gold 4 Tent2 votes

again, back to the point. they support by removing the threat from the battle field. more exactly, remove them from the battlefield and send them back to the fountain. Or they just remove half of the hp of a target so the carry can take the other half with a single autoattack. That happens with my AP Malphite when my damage just barely falls short of a 100-0, although for most part I get the kill when the target isn't at full hp.

That's no different from a Leona chain stunning the target or a Janna keeping the target away from the carry. And besides that, they do this while also being capable of minor peel/disruption/enchants. they are supporting, except in a way that is not commonly accepted by the community.

One might think a support isn't supposed to do damage, but damage can be a form of support. Else, why does every single champion in the game do some form of damage? There is not a single champion in the game that has no damaging ability, even the most supportish of supports like Soraka.

Lastly, as long as they help with the warding and ward clearing, peel when needed, have the attitude of a support, they will still be supports. Ashe item 3031 item 3046 item 3072 item 3036 item 3006 item 3026 can be a support, if she plays like one and I'm sure you've seen games where Caitlyn 3/2/13 and MasterYi 18/6/4 before

BananaSlayerAMO1 votes

Most of the champs you mentioned have two or more abilities with CC... and why is Karma even on that list?

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

You think it's hard to support as a mage? Guess you've never tried vladimir or illaoi support.

meowwow71 votes

Annie Veigar Velkoz i can see why you can see them as non supports but Karma ulted e and Lux q and w tend to be the reason for them being support

MrPlantarbre1 votes

I think the real issue is that no matter how strong redemption/solaris are, you always end up with a brand staying behind his adc because he's building damage.

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