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Auto attack counters NO LONGER WORK

MasterVidallis·8/25/2015, 2:38:05 PM·2 votes·946 views

So yesterday I was in a top lane matchup with I rushed a , he got first blood but I got a couple of kills after that, back and forth not too bad. He isn't that fed.

He starts roaming hard with just plus he is insta killing people mid and bot and starts carrying. Ok. I think, I'll build to counter him in team fights.

So after I build, . I also have tank masteries and armor yellows. He builds . We get into teamfights, my build is specifically designed to counter him. Except we go toe to toe as I try to protect my carries and he bursts me down before I get him to half health. He then kills our entire team. We were not that behind up until late game. No, I'm not missing any abilities, I'm landing everything on him. And no I'm not dying slowly like a tank either buying peopel time, I'm getting burst down in a few seconds, death recap "80% damage from auto attacks". Look at my build. How the fuck am I getting bursted down by autoattacks??

Sure for one thing Rengar's damage is broken as shit. In one teamfight I saw him jump out of stealth into our ahri and kill him BEFORE HE LANDED. Ahri couldn't even press zhonya's in time. But beyond that I play tanks a lot and that build I had used to counter a snowballing AD auto reliant champ like rengar. It seems that now it does nothing. And armor tanks are supposed to be able to counter that.

I feel like we triple nerfed tanks in the past 3 months and went from them finally being viable to once again being the worst champs in league.

23 Comments

AsphodelNext8/25/2015, 3:35:27 PM3 votes

Pure armor and just Sunfire isn't that good after armor nerfs, you should get another health/armor item like item 3143 or even item 3742 . That'll let you last a few more seconds, but it's not like you're walking out alive without someone else dealing the damage.

e.g. 300 Armor and 2.2K health = (after penetration) ~6.6K damage you can tank vs. 260 Armor and 2.8K health = (after penetration) ~7.5K damage you can tank

Still sucks to get killed by armor penetration, but the only good counter to Rengar is CC before he can burst i.e. buy pinks or land blind hooks. Especially if he's playing the one-way Leblanc build i.e. he builds to 100-0 you, but with no way to escape after, like if Leblanc had no return on her dash.

Meep Man8/25/2015, 2:44:07 PM2 votes

Because he built all armor penetration and you built no damage, so of course he could burst you then deal good sustained damage.

The Bearded Bard8/25/2015, 3:12:35 PM2 votes

So he was really fed and you're complaining that he's doing a lot of damage? You shouldn't be able to mitigate all of someone's damage just by building a few tank items, especially when they're fed.

Amelie8/25/2015, 3:15:02 PM2 votes

I dislike such armor builds because you don't give yourself a big enough health pool. Why no Randuin's? Why no Dead Man's Plate? If he's building penetration and all you have is armor and not much health, doesn't it make sense that he kills you faster when he negates half your armor?

^I mean all this in general. But I do agree that Rengar does have pretty retarded burst.

Ferrous Oxide8/25/2015, 5:44:47 PM2 votes

The juggernaut update brought a lot of really great hp items, and without hp armor is meaningless, without armor hp is meaningless. Dead man's plate is the best overall armor item in the game, taking the place of randuins. Steraks Gage is a great anti burst item and would have done wonders against rengar. And again on that hp point, you say you where built to counter him but you wherent, armor pen counters armor, hp counters armor pen

Rebonack8/25/2015, 8:04:10 PM2 votes

If someone is packing Void/whisper, then you need about 2400 HP per 100 relevant resist to get optimal effective HP.

Building pure armor items is the worst thing you can do in reaction at someone with Whisper.

Against Yi, building item 3053 is a great idea on tanky champions since it effectively multiplies your health by 30% and its shield doesn't factor into things like item 3153 passive.

Yash Gautam8/25/2015, 3:21:22 PM1 votes

I agree with you, but tanks are sometimes doing as much damage as the mid. I see Rammus build full defense and pop my ADC. Don't forget Irelia, the 2 offensive item build and the rest defense and does as much damage as a fed Riven.

disregardable8/25/2015, 2:44:31 PM1 votes

So Rengar had several more kills than you, you went toe to toe, and you're complaining. Right. How does a platinum player not understand gold leads? LOL.

MLDzXnRRR8/25/2015, 3:01:33 PM1 votes

Critical strikes - let's say you reduce his dmg output by 50 %, but you have no hp and he still can kill you with 4 attacks. DMG outscales defense - you can often see Yi killing whole teams - largest crit from Yi I've ever seen was around 1800 dmg.

SEKAI8/25/2015, 3:37:46 PM1 votes

Riot despises tanks (or in actuality, anything that doesn't die in 2 hits) don't you know?

You must be new here.

The Sword Saint8/25/2015, 6:21:01 PM1 votes

You bought armor and he bought armor pen which counters your armor. Hp counters armor pen, but you had none outside of sunfire.

Buy a randuins or a deadmans plat or something. Even a spirit visage to build against some of the enemy ap would help because of the hp part.

Ralantha8/25/2015, 3:19:32 PM1 votes

While armour is effective, now it's less effective so we have to build health. I think they changed the numbers so people could buy more than just armour, or just mr, and have some health and damages to help out. I could be wrong. Sorry the armour nerf hit that hard =(