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Final discussion with Cancer champs

AdanYEva·Dec 4, 2015·2 votes·1,304 views

there are 2 cancer champ types in League:

the skillful cancer champs: . These champs take skill to pull off and when they trade good they put the effort in to get that kill, yet it really sucks laning with these assholes, either they have good escapes or their pokes/kit's are fkn annoying (Teeto). They deserve slight balance changes to buff them, example: zed/nid/lee/fiora recently got slight buffs. The reason they deserve these small buffs is so that new players wont have a hard time maining them, a good example of what you dont want is: . Azir is in the God tier list of strongest champs in game, solo-team fights. But he's so hard to pull off, even LCS players can mess up with this guy. That's why 95% of people avoid maining Azir, just too much of a skill curve.

[2.] The 'delete this champ' cancer champs:

now these champs make us want to gouge our eyes, they dont deserve buffs-only nerfs, heres why: these fucking champs have the most toxic kits and literally steal victories, once they get fed it just fkn snowballs and most of the time you cant recover, they are down syndrome/retarded proof, main these champs and you can get to plat ELO easy! i had a 80% win rate with Soraka alone, if Riot cares about this game they should re-work these champs so that they have skill priority so that they dont pull off victory taking moves because we all know the feeling when we are working hard for a win and Fizz comes to R and E you :/

** IF there are champs you dont agree in this list thats OKAY, comment below what your list would look like, this list is my opinion.

13 Comments

TeemoJenkinsDec 4, 20153 votes

My list:

Oh wait... cancer is a disease, not a video game adjective.

FacerollKatarinaDec 5, 20151 votes

"a practice or phenomenon perceived to be evil or destructive and hard to contain or eradicate." Looked it up on google :3

PuynsiDec 4, 20153 votes

Veigar is "delete this champ" tier? Have you tried not going mid against him? Can't you dodge his slow-ass stun that everyone was crying about previous seasons about being instantaneous?

alasarcherDec 4, 20152 votes

This is complete and utter bullshit

Akali needs buffs, she got nerfed heavily, and is shitty champ now. Warwick is crap champion who is countered with 1200 gold and need HARD buffs Garen also need alot of buffs to become viable again, anyone can kite him Vi is perfectly balanced champion who has strengths(but isnt too strong) and weaknesses (but isnt too weak) Sona- Are u fkin serious? She dont need buffs? Soraka- She is just annoying healer, she provides nothing except healing and can easily be shut down and made worthless Xin Zhao - auto attack reliant champion, easily countered and relies heavily on devourer, so can be shut down pretty early Udyr - Can also be kited easily, no gap closers Yi - Cmon, he can only do good in bronze Fizz - He doesnt need buffs, nor nerfs, he is at good state now Annie- She is fine as she is, her range nerfs made her less viable support, putting her back into mid lane where she belongs Malzahar- Can also be countered with 1200 gold item, when he ults, he makes himself vulnearable, only excels at 1v1,so unless you are moron and try to 1v1 him, he is utterly useless Mundo - Well Mundo is getting some nerfs on PBE, so no problem Kench- Riot just posted future nerfs for him Veigar - Nothing special, easily countered

Btw how come there are no Vayne, Kalista and Quinn on list 1?

AdanYEvaDec 4, 20151 votes

ww/akali = re-work, not buffs, *re-work

ModWulf HelhammerDec 4, 20151 votes

On your last point: because none of them are "cancer"

Maligaro SpikeDec 4, 20152 votes

master yi is super easy to deal,if he gets cced he's done while yasuo can still survive because of shield or kata can jump away the last second

TiureDec 4, 20151 votes

There are 2 "bounds" where champions fall when it comes to skill. Skill of course cannot be fully quantified, but it can be roughly estimated as an amalgamation of experience and knowledge.

The Skill Floor. This is the absolute minimum amount of skill required to play a champion. Champions in your second group (Delete This Champ Cancer), except for Fizz, Udyr, and Tahm Kench, are considered to be low skill floor champions. In addition, some of your "high skill cancer" champs actually have pretty low skill floors! Heimerdinger, Lee Sin, Syndra, Karma, and Ahri aren't that hard to pick up and do well with, provided you aren't burdened with a need to carry your team hard.
The Skill Ceiling, also known as the Skill Cap. This is the amount of power a perfect-play champion has access to. For example, you can't really play Garen with "more skill." The most you can do is perfect your timing, your decision making, and your builds...all of which are things you can do on pretty much any champion. While Garen's skill floor is deceptively high (say it with me: K! I! T! E! GET THAT CHAMPION OFF OF ME), his skill cap is almost directly above his skill floor. His abilities are straightforward, he has like 4 core items, and you're basically there to fill a niche in your team. On the other hand, Master Yi, Tahm Kench, and Malzahar all have some pretty neat mechanics that allow them to make interesting and complex plays (I'm a malz main myself. His skill cap is crazy high). It's hard to argue, watching Cowsep play, that Master Yi is a no-skill champion. However, when playing Yi or Katarina in bronze, I tend to just press R, right click the closest enemy, and lay a brick gently down on my keyboard.

I don't necessarily think that low skill floor or low skill cap champions are necessarily a bad thing. Some people just aren't comfortable with complicated mechanics and funky business; they want to play Garen and have a straightforward purpose, a clear sense of justice, and a giant sword from the sky that obliterates people with a 2000 true damage nuke. In addition, Garen players often focus on the macrogame and enjoy the more consistent level of play that Garen offers them. It's not always a good thing to have your champion require skill, even if you're a skilled player; a higher skill floor means more opportunities to make huge mistakes. Garen trades this low skill floor for his high skill cap.

I also get annoyed at low-skill-floor champions like Annie, but the thing is that those champions tend to be pretty easy to play around. I know that they may seem strong to you now, but if you take some time to learn their weaknesses a little bit, you should end up able to run circles around them with most champions (for instance, Annie revolves around her stun passive, which is clearly telegraphed if you click on her. There are many times, especially right after she uses an ability, when she's not going to be able to turn around and stun you, meaning you're going to end up with mostly favorable trades).

undesirable teamDec 4, 20151 votes

You put Wukong, Rengar, Shaco, Katarina, and Teemo on skillful cancer champs. This really makes my opinion of you down in bronze. Half of them you can just button mash with. The other half go invis half of the time. Lmao, you're just salty because you probably just lost to a bunch of those champions. Annie gets countered hard by late game, same with malz. .... don't rage that you lose lane to a champion you think is unfair, all champs have a counter. except DrMundo :3

Asayake 5150glowDec 5, 20151 votes

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You put Wukong, Rengar, Shaco, Katarina, and Teemo on skillful cancer champs. This really makes my opinion of you down in bronze. Half of them you can just button mash with. The other half go invis half of the time. Lmao, you're just salty because you probably just lost to a bunch of those champions. Annie gets countered hard by late game, same with malz. .... don't rage that you lose lane to a champion you think is unfair, all champs have a counter. except :3

Half = 4/5 ???

ModWulf HelhammerDec 4, 20151 votes

No champ is "cancer". There are times when a champion can be unbalanced (Preseason 5 Warwick for example), but no champion is inherently broken

Worst Kench NADec 4, 2015

I agree completely, except that I would add Aatrox to list two.

AdanYEvaDec 4, 20151 votes

thanks, leave an upvote, it's the easy to pull of champs that are toxic in this game, re-work them to require skill and people wont complaint too much about balance

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