Does riot think that giving Veigar more AP to stack will fix his gameplay?
I have been playing veigar for years now and I like that Riot is giving some attention to the little guy because he needs it, but I am concerned that Riot thinks that he only needs to be able to stack AP. To keep it short I see three big issues with the way Riot views Veigar.
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Veigar has always been a late game scaling monster with the ability to/almost one shot someone but let me be clear this is not something that happens very often. In an earlier post from a rioter about the MYMU they stated that no one likes it when Veigar can flash and one shot you. That view point is such and extreme case that it makes no sense. To get to that point you need to farm for 40-50 mins and get near 1K AP and to be honest by that point why shouldn't he be able to one shot you? Does anyone complain that Nasus can farm and almost one shot you with a Q not really cause they see that he has farmed. The second part is bringing up the example of flash ulting is such a bad example because that is just a terrible way to look at a champion in a balance sense. A lot of champions in league can burst down targets if they get onto them. Lissandra can in one combo almost do that but are we nerfing her because she has the ability to flash on them? No we are not.
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This leads into my next point though I see where riot are going with Veigar and I look at it like Koggles. In the recent patch they wanted to curve his power so its not lose early wreck late. I think you are trying to shift power for him as well so he isnt the worst laner early on and isnt the most oppressive champ later as well. I see what you are doing with Veigar with making his ult more of a traditional execute as opposed to a big burst execute. I dont have an issue with this but my main concern is that his new passive isnt going to help him survive the early game any better. Is the damage you are losing on the ult equal out to the the AP you get with your passive? I spend most of my laning phase farming and ignoring the other champion because it more beneficial for me to farm and get big then worry about the other champs. I look at it like this would you rather waste the mana and cd of your Q to try and poke a champion to get one AP maybe if you hit them or hit one or two minions get more AP and gold along with it? I am also being serious that landing your W on a champ in lane is impossible without the use of your E so are you going to waste more mana and Cd's trying to get a few extra AP when you might leave yourself open to get engaged on?
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My third issue is that Veigar never had an issue with stacking AP. After the rework he was able to do it so well that it made him better but at this point I dont understand why you want to give him more ways to stack AP. He doesnt need it he needs a way to have a healthier early game. If you are curving power from his Ult so he cant one shot you which I will say again rarely happens you need to make him do better in the early game. Giving him a passive to stack more doesnt make is already sub par laning phase better. He needs something to be him more survivable in the early game to offset the ult not being as bursty as it used to be.
This is what I think and I would love to hear what you think not only from Rioters but from people as well the more the better. I dont want to see veigar go through another period of being sub par. - Fischen
2 shotting someone due to random RNG is okay,
being able to do 1.5k damage in a matter of how fast they can go ewq(hydra) is acceptable, both innate things you really cant do much about other than avoid them, in his current state
can only 1 shot you if you say "screw defenses, I need to be the only one doing any damage" like oh, I'm a mage, I only build AP, well, that's cool and all but they could easily just not lose to veigar by itemizing
are all oddly effective vs veig as an ap, ad have
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with merc scim also offering a cleanse from his stun. Speaking of cleanse try taking