Ability burst-AD tanks stacking lethality is seriously out of hand right now. If the defensive health + armour, and lethality + ad + hp + MR item lineups doesn't get recalibrated to actually make the defenses worth investing in occasionally, ranked play at all levels is going to nose dive while spiraling into an AD-assassin-brawler 5v5 deathmatch. More so than it already has anyways.
5050BS1 votesHIs W attack speed needs start working when they are at 80% of there HPs and max when they are at 20%
Ben Sharpio1 votesdo me a favor and watch hashinshin's stream. He's a high elo (masters) warwick main. Makes him look broken as fuck tbh
Irelia Bot1 votesWarwick seems to be doing really well statistically and if anything a little on the strong side.
Win Rate 51.23% Play Rate 11.26% Ban Rate 25.63%
LaughingStapler1 votes[{quoted}](name=Irelia Bot,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xyuEgXLx,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-02-22T02:37:51.049+0000)
Warwick seems to be doing really well statistically and if anything a little on the strong side.
Win Rate 51.23% Play Rate 11.26% Ban Rate 25.63%
People need to stop using that absolute trash site. It barely has any games and doesn't even include all regions. Lolalytics is superior in every way. With that said, WW is almost at 50% in Diamond+ for the last week so he's alright. He's obviously better in lower ELO and isn't top tier when playing vs the best players but "garbage" isn't accurate.
He can be a bit clunky though since his extended Q doesn't always work correctly. Moreover, he's quite item dependent since he actually NEEDS Tiamat just to keep pace with other junglers when clearing. His late game is average at best but his mid game gives a lot of snowballing potential.
A FLUFFY BUNNY 11 votesI have to assume he gets a lot of play because he's an old champ that plays new and EVERYONE owns him unlike other reciently reworked champs. So people can't play again for him yet because they are learning his counters.. it will change. I'm have see a lot of very bad WW. Have a lose seen a lot of good ones as well.
Danjeng1 votesI disagree. I think the new Warwick rework has updated him to modern standards. He is now able to keep up with newer champions, while retaining his great map presence. His new damage-reduction/fear even gives me a bit of dread going up against him. I feel that he has a high impact on games. The team which worked on him did a good job.
Also his stats on champion.gg and op.gg are pretty good. He's actually pretty strong but takes a some more skill to play now (compared to before).
LadyRenly1 voteswarwicks pretty good, dude builds titanic then full tank and just obliterates
Jeddy0171 votesThe title makes it seem like you're going to talk about how Warwick & some other champs are weak right now. Get into the actual thread & it's not even about Warwick (you don't even mention him). It's about the busted meta right now. What's the point of even mentioning Warwick other than to grab attention?
Svartalf1 votesIt's not a teaser title, the post was about Warwick, and champs with kits like his (meaning kits that don't have a lot of ability burst capability with high scaling and such).
There are certain items which were designed to mitigate the threat of high AD builds/champions -- thornmail, frozen heart and randuin's omen in particular. What these three items all have in common is very high armour bonuses, a 'special' defensive ability, and in addition, they are absolutely worthless against AD ability burst champs presently because all rely on the incoming damage capitalizing on either critical strikes (in the case of randuin's omen crit damage reduction ability) or an actual basic attack (in the case of thornmail's damage return) or benefits from attack speed (in the case of frozen heart / randuin's omen attack speed slows) to make the AD champ dangerous. For run of the mill basic attacking crit focused marksmen, which was the primary way to build dangerous AD champs for many seasons, all of these defenses work fine, and the armour portion of the item is certainly countered by lethality / last whisper, but the defensive abilities still significantly contributed to survivability. As things presently stand, champs with multiple high AD scaling burst damage abilities not only bypass armour with their high lethality setups, but they also don't need to worry about triggering thornmail, don't need to worry about critical strike reduction from randuin's, and don't care about attack speed because they rely primarily on a single opening basic followed by ability burst which is cooldown dependant and oftentimes involves an attack speed animation reset for a quick followup basic.
There just aren't any viable AD-burst defense setups available at the current time. Maybe in a few patches. But that was what I was getting at. Defensive items need to be re-calibrated so they actually have an impact on the game again.
Paroe1 votesWarwick is a great bully top though? His sustain and harass against melee enemies is fantastic.
SwiftKitten881 votes... ww is NOT trash.. imo hit is actaulyl slightly overtuned.. he certainly isn't op.. but i would definitely say "overtuned".
once LCS players relaise his W is just a MUCH better version of rek'sai's tremour sense he is prob going to get gutted, sadly...