The problem with Lucian Top.

EpicGameGIant·1/16/2019, 5:45:41 AM·4 votes·3,608 views

I have seen this issue on the rise with no one speaking out against it, and I am genuinely not the type similar to most players claiming a champ is "op", uncounterable, or unbeatable etc. etc.

Lucian top has seen a dramatic increase since the beginning of the new year with no changes to his kit, and that's acceptable. People have found something that works, and they're abusing it, but it is not similar to other top marksman. Unlike Caitlyn, Vayne, Tristana, and almost every other ADC in the game, Lucian is notorious for having both an amazing early and late-game, with extreme mobility level two up.

His kit makes him virtually impossible to lane against with any bruiser/fighter (such as Riven, [he extremely outdamages her until 6] Illaoi [low mobility; relies almost solely on her e landing which is near impossible to a decent Lucian], Darius [he is on the upper end of the spectrum, he does have the lockdown necessary to hold a Lucian down, but a good Lucian player can easily counterplay this by abusing their range and mobility to kite Darius], etc.)

The only exceptions that come to mind are champions like Teemo, Yasuo, and Jayce. Champions known to be massive lane bullies, bearing massive early damage, and have kits made entirely to destroy an ADC late-game. The issue with picks like these is they deprive the team of a tanky top lane, as their kits rely on damage. The same can be said about Lucian, with the difference being his kit is made with the sole purpose of not being touched by the enemy team. His mobility allows him to be in the front of the fight (with items like Black Cleaver of course) without taking a substantial amount of damage.

Forcing enemy teams to pick champions that distinctly pull from the composition of the team while only adding to yours is a very strategic move, but it is an unbalanced one. No champion should be able to dominate a lane so well early, while over performing in the endgame. It just does not make sense.

Granted, this is all opinion based (besides the statistics which all can be found with a simple google search), and I might be 100% incorrect, but in 4 accounts over 3 separate MMR's, i have seen a Lucian Top 9 times in about 20 games in the past 48 hours, every game destroying my top laner, one of which has been myself, driving myself to the point of writing this prompt.

Riot, please look into this.

16 Comments

ı Sona ı1/16/2019, 5:53:28 AM2 votes

He's fine as he is, ban him or pick Rammus, ez.

Frontline Fury1/16/2019, 6:02:31 AM1 votes

Lucian top hasn't been a problem for ages. He's no worse than Viktor, Gnar, Pantheon, Gangplank or Ryze.

Eedat1/16/2019, 6:03:14 AM1 votes

Lucian top has seen a dramatic increase since the beginning of the new year with no changes to his kit

I'm not so sure about this. The playrate is so low that I could only find a single site that displays any data at all about it

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/overview/lucian/top

No way of knowing how accurate it is with how low the playrate is

Lucian is notorious for having both an amazing early and late-game

This just flat out isn't true. Op.gg, champion.gg, and leagueofgraphs, have his win rate falling off very heavily around the 20-25 minute mark

As far as the other points go you mention Darius and Illaoi who are weak to ranged champions in general and that just a product of their kit. Not of Lucians. They have similar problems with champs like Kennen, Quinn, Teemo, Gnar, etc.

I would prefer to see more data before I would consider it any more than a situational counterpick. Similar things were said about Vayne top in the past when in reality it was an awful pick with 43% winrate

MLDzXnRRR1/16/2019, 8:20:41 AM1 votes

I've played against Lucian top in the past as Trynda, Orn, Nasus, he is very annoying, but can't actually kill you, but will force you out of lane. Later he dies non-stop to ganks or gets dived over and over. Playing against Draven top is another story, the guy has real kill pressure from lvl 1. Vayne top is even more problematic, imo, plus she is actually played there unlike Lucian. Damn Riot and their skin selling schemes for this buff.

Vlada Cut1/16/2019, 9:02:38 AM1 votes

Jayce? Destroys? Adc's? Lategame? Arr we talking about two different entities because Jayce and late game do not mix.