Why are supports allowed to get high damage items

Trexlo·Aug 6, 2016·2 votes·968 views

Supports are here to help you get kills and make plays, and now when we have items that increase shield and heal power they don't need to buy to increase their power(or any other). You can go or "support" with and 300+ ap and "help" your team with your damage and go 10/0/2.(death is the best CC) Then if you have all lanes with damage dealers you have 5 of them while the other team has 4 and a support. To me it seems unfair, it might give your team a win but to me it seems unsportsmanlike. What do you think?

15 Comments

Mr CannonAug 6, 201613 votes

I bet you think supports are the only ones who should buy wards as well :^)

TheLazySunbroAug 6, 20161 votes

LMAO

ZephyrDrakeAug 6, 20165 votes

"unsportsmanlike"... i don't think that word means what you think it means

BeldairAug 6, 20164 votes

As a Support main, I find your lack of faith disturbing.

You ask why we build damage items as supports?

Well let me ask you two questions:

Why do mid and top laners build support items?
If you let a support go 10/0/2, wouldn't that reflect more on how the enemy and your adc did and not on the fact they went full AP?

lilpokflufAug 6, 20161 votes

Sometimes extra damage is what a team comp needs. Supports are there to enhance the team or round it out. Usually to cover the weaknesses of one or more of the other champs, adc usually. And some team comps have a lot of cc and little damage so maybe a full damage lux can help it out. I'm not saying it's the best strat but it works and it helps non support mains play the role. It's not the most effective especially if they're bad then you're gonna lose compared to an actual support who just needs to peel and survive.

DarkRitualAug 6, 20161 votes

Sona item 3100 item 2301 item 3158 item 3089 item 3174 item 3003 Let me play you the song of my people.

Valhalla RisingAug 6, 20161 votes

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Let me play you the song of my people.

so 50% cdr, why not just sorc shoes :P

DarkRitualAug 6, 20161 votes

Good catch. Could replace Athene's with item 3504 too, more AP from it as well!

RequiemsfireAug 6, 20161 votes

This depends on how you choose to spend your gold and what value you have as a support. For example building one of the most expensive items like 'rabadons death cap' is general not something you'll do unless you're really ahead and insanely fed as a support.

Kempachi TaichouAug 6, 20161 votes

Those strong AP items, well they bolster our heals, shields, other buffs, and enfeebles...

So um, yeah... make us weaker than we already are...

No flash no lifeAug 6, 20161 votes

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Supports are here to help you get kills and make plays

Um no, that's supporting, not support. Support's primary role is vision coverage and vision denial. Secondary would be peeling. After that minor things such as lane harass&babysitting adc, wombo combo to make plays, roaming, etc come in.

Golden CrowAug 6, 20161 votes

'4 and a support' ... ur really underestimating other supports. If you lost to a veigar support which isn't even good, and he goes 10/0/2, you lost the game not because veigar does damage. If you gave 10 kills because of a Leona support you'll be complaining instead by how you were bursted down the entire time you were CC locked so you couldn't do anything, and how they can tower dive you when you're full hp. Supports shouldn't have that much CC and tankiness?? Or maybe it's because they were so much more ahead after several misplays. Now it's irrecoverable, unless they literally kill themselves and feed.

I had an Alistar(tank) game where they literally could not even stay in lane. They would be full health. If they get close I would do my W - Q combo. My adc Jinx just follows up with the chompers. She would place it right under them so after the knockup, they immediately get rooted. She would keep attacking. They would be dead. They would be below 20% HP before they no longer had any CC on them. That's just called having a lead and knowing how to use it. Now I wish I recorded it somehow just so I can show you.

HongChongDongAug 6, 20161 votes

Supports were originally created as a meta role to babysit the most vunerable yet also extremely valuable role, the adc, while they got through their farming stage without either getting themselves stomped in lane or murdered by not ADC characters that had better powerspikes and early kill potential. Basically a fall guy meant to have to take duo lane XP and no gold to give opportunities to the rest of their team while playing bodyguard for the weak item reliant marksman.

Now that those dark days are over and riot properly refined the support roles through items tuned for them as well as alot of passive gold gain, it's only fair that they are capable of being able to do more than just play the role of the unleveled no gold fall guy.

SiytherAug 6, 20161 votes

i think what he is complaining about is also a personal pev of mine, that supports dont support they want the dps of a mid laner in the role. It almost always tips the lane in the dps mages favor. Nothing worse than laning against a viegar whom doesnt evn need items to have 500 ap by late game lol. Im not saying that supports shouldnt be able to buy damage items but im am sick of every damn lane being support lux sona annie veigar and building zero support items at all fed or not. In late game team fight that utility that you have vs the extra dps they have makes the fight not even close to close most times(mainly low elo) but it still a minor problem i guess.Maybe riot should make dps item "less effective" on a role that intended entirely for its utility,peeling and engage abilties. Why should any champ have all that and massive dps just like how ppl complauin that assassins build tank are op same exact thing going on but since the role itself is so anti-fun few ppl are complaining cause it more fun for them and sad for the game in general.It's like ppl are activily trying to delete the role entirely.lol So i can understand this persons point but at the same time i cant see anything being done about it.

HongChongDongAug 6, 20161 votes

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i think what he is complaining about is also a personal pev of mine, that supports dont support they want the dps of a mid laner in the role. It almost always tips the lane in the dps mages favor. Nothing worse than laning against a viegar whom doesnt evn need items to have 500 ap by late game lol. Im not saying that supports shouldnt be able to buy damage items but im am sick of every damn lane being support lux sona annie veigar and building zero support items at all fed or not. In late game team fight that utility that you have vs the extra dps they have makes the fight not even close to close most times(mainly low elo) but it still a minor problem i guess.Maybe riot should make dps item "less effective" on a role that intended entirely for its utility,peeling and engage abilties. Why should any champ have all that and massive dps just like how ppl complauin that assassins build tank are op same exact thing going on but since the role itself is so anti-fun few ppl are complaining cause it more fun for them and sad for the game in general.It's like ppl are activily trying to delete the role entirely.lol So i can understand this persons point but at the same time i cant see anything being done about it.

Completely wrong. For every matchup there are cons to its pros. Mage bot lanes are all nice and fuzzy up until the point where the lane doesn't snowball then they get screwed. Mage or in general damage oriented characters played in the support role turn it into a kill lane to snowball the ADC but if they fail to do that and in the worst case scenario they actually lose the lane, they fall so far into the useless category that they're worth nothing more than cannon fodder.

But, if you absolutely must complain, then ask riot to rework the Marksman class as a whole. Marksman characters by default aren't really capable of fighting other characters classes on their own due to their lack of power and as such don't scale until they get several items unlike other characters who spike with levels or even a single item. This is why botlane is 90% support as they typically end up having more utility and damage until the ADC gets their items to scale, so rather than complaining that other characters deal more damage you should complain about the marksman characters being so weak on their own early.