Kindred Ult super toxic

LLcoolJGETatME·Oct 16, 2015·1 votes·786 views

Especially from what i've seen in Gold or lower.

Basically 5v5s where everyone is one-hit, and you try to time last hits for when the ult is turned off.

How is that promoting healthy gameplay?

9 Comments

BeatRushVIIOct 16, 20153 votes

Maybe by encouraging people to NOT cluster and hard fight over a fairly small radius. Its really something important that every player needs to learn, sometimes forcing a hard re-position is the best course of action.

Not to mention that there are a TON of champions who can forcibly displace a champion or two out of it.

Janna Gragas Azir Tristana EVERYONE GOES EVERYWHERE

Agent TatsuOct 17, 20151 votes

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Maybe by encouraging people to NOT cluster and hard fight over a fairly small radius. Its really something important that every player needs to learn, sometimes forcing a hard re-position is the best course of action.

Are you implying that you shouldn't want to fight an area where you cannot die and get a free heal? If so, I do not understand your logic.

blkKalameetOct 17, 20151 votes

its only good to do so if you can burst them down first

BeatRushVIIOct 17, 20151 votes

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Are you implying that you shouldn't want to fight an area where you cannot die and get a free heal? If so, I do not understand your logic.

It depends on your team comp. If you've observed that they can get your team low while inside it, and the enemy team has more aoe burst they can reserve for when its over, no, you dont want to fight on it. Treat it like its a hard cc field and reposition the fight elsewhere.

Like i said, choosing where to fight is something people need to learn, its not always "Where shit breaks out" or "where the big flashy things are happening." sometimes "hey, way the fuck over there" is better.

Agent TatsuOct 18, 20151 votes

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It depends on your team comp. If you've observed that they can get your team low while inside it, and the enemy team has more aoe burst they can reserve for when its over, no, you dont want to fight on it. Treat it like its a hard cc field and reposition the fight elsewhere.

Like i said, choosing where to fight is something people need to learn, its not always "Where shit breaks out" or "where the big flashy things are happening." sometimes "hey, way the fuck over there" is better.

So what are you supposed to do? Walk around outside it doing nothing (since they you can't kill them because they're inside it) while they stand in it and kill you (since they can kill you because you're outside it)? Again, i'm not seeing your logic at all.

BeatRushVIIOct 18, 20151 votes

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So what are you supposed to do? Walk around outside it doing nothing (since they you can't kill them because they're inside it) while they stand in it and kill you (since they can kill you because you're outside it)? Again, i'm not seeing your logic at all.

The idea would be to use a hard disengage and completely move the fight. Stop thinking that a fight has to fully play out within a few hundred units of where it starts out and fight (when possible) on your terms. This happens all the time in professional play, and its one of the things that sets it apart from an average game.

Obviously there are going to be situations where you more or less have to fight on kindreds ult, but there are going to be times where you can completely disengage and move to a completely different location. This is usually done by either advancing far on the back line or receding far yourself. Since Kindred's ult basically invalidates the first option, it will sometimes be a good idea to throw in some hard cc and back way the hell up. The team will either follow you(thus leaving her ult), wait and hold their position(and it will expire) or break up and go do other things.

Again, i'm not saying this is something to be done EVERY time , but it certainly is a thing to consider when the circumstances are right.

Or as i said earlier, if you see kindred, you can just lock in someone with massive displacement and force the enemy off the ult yourself. Either way my point stands, there are options other than "Glomp into the ult and everyone fight within it", which was the ops origional premise .

3TWarriorOct 18, 20151 votes

however, the toxic implications of Kindred jungler are in her ability to deny kills during laning phase. As soon as level 6 hits, she can ult onto a laner for them to make it back to tower and safety while her own damage can more than likely pick off a weakened opponent