What if Camille's ult leap worked more like Jarvan's?

TyrekGoldenspear·Feb 25, 2017·79 votes·3,226 views

What I mean is have the leap uninterruptable by CC like Jarvan, but keep her targetable so she can still eat skillshots like Jarvan.

61 Comments

HethaleanFeb 25, 201728 votes

I like the idea, but I doubt it would happen. The designer of Camille seems pretty invested in just over stuffing this kit similar to Ekko. Probably thinking that it is an expression of champion mastery that you go untargetable like Yi Q and can dodge stuff.

Sahn UzalFeb 25, 20176 votes

tbh I think the invulnurability part is pretty cool. I think the whole ''Can't get out of here no matter what you do'' mechanic is... not cool

GGLineaRFeb 25, 20171 votes

If they let me use a summoners to flash out of it, but prevented champion blinks, I'd be okay with Cam.

If you're against Cam top, there's no point in taking flash right now.

JoxcabFeb 25, 20176 votes

Uh. Yeah because you always will use Flash only for Camille. And not for anything else.

Flashing before she lands also drags her ult over wherever you want it. Like into the middle of your team.

GGLineaRFeb 25, 20172 votes

I solo queue, My team isn't reliable, and in my experience, if you're playing a tanky top laner, you don't NEED flash if you're in bronze elo.

Mind your bm, there's no need for it.

JoxcabFeb 25, 20172 votes

Okay, then educate yourself before making an ignorant statement.

Off Meta EvanFeb 25, 20174 votes

i mean you're not wrong but you sound like an ass.

GGLineaRFeb 26, 20173 votes

Like I said, mind your bm.

You don't have to be a dick.

ForeverLaxxFeb 26, 20172 votes

He's not concerned with your petty feelings. If you don't like that, then I suggest never leaving your house. The real world isn't a "safe space."

GGLineaRFeb 26, 20171 votes

Feelings are hardly trivial, but are not the problem here, mon frere. It's a matter of being a decent human being, not about not hurting each others feelings, which I really don't give a damn about.

If I didn't have thick skin, I wouldn't be playing league.

Also, don't use quotations unless someone actually said those words. No one mentioned "safe space" previously, so your usage of quotations do nothing but make you look like an idiot.

Am I a grammar nazi? Maybe, if you don't like that, then I suggest never incorrectly using quotation marks. ;3

ForeverLaxxFeb 26, 20172 votes

For a "grammar nazi" you sure don't understand how language works. Does that hurt your precious feelings, too?

HethaleanFeb 26, 20171 votes

Agreed. Yeah, I mean. I think Camille is cool. There's just a lot about Camille that she ends up being frustrating.

Velzard of KozFeb 25, 20174 votes

This. I feel like the overloaded champs people hate most were designed in style "Imma just throw this too into the kit, that will look cool", rather than asking what class is the champion, what is its purpose, whether it's fair compared to other champs sharing the purpose/class, whether they deserve it an whether it won't go against the design of class.

HethaleanFeb 25, 20175 votes

I agree that divers need the tools to get to the back line and pose a threat... but Camille is overboard.

TheorexFeb 26, 20171 votes

Yi still gets hit by damage, he just doesnt eat the skillshot cc's until after he is already fucking you up

HethaleanFeb 26, 20171 votes

Master Yi still gets damaged in his Q? I think that's a bug. Or did you mean something else?

TheorexFeb 26, 20171 votes

Master Yi still gets damaged in his Q? I think that's a bug. Or did you mean something else?

Its a bug, its not suppose to but they havent fixed it at all

SEKAIFeb 26, 20171 votes

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Its a bug, its not suppose to but they havent fixed it at all

Yi's Q can not dodge DoT if it's already applied on him and it will keep ticking as well as applying effects on him even if he goes untargetable, but otherwise he is supposed to dodge just about anything from skillshots to AoE to single targeted attacks (though it's said that Fizz's Q is an exception for some reason). However most of the time in practice, Yi dies mid-dash to AoE the most, and Riot hasn't fixed it.

KuboxFeb 25, 201711 votes

I personally like the skill factor involved in using her ult as a dodge.

Why not make that part of it slightly more important : As it stands, ulting an enemy gives Camille bonus damage on AA. They could make it so you get smaller a buff or even none at all if you don't dodge anything.

Papa AndreiFeb 25, 20171 votes

Idk the exact AA boost number, but like if its 4% current health, if you dodged ho up 5.5% and if not then 3%? If dodging Ult/CC

Asayake 5150glowFeb 26, 20171 votes

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Idk the exact AA boost number, but like if its 4% current health, if you dodged ho up 5.5% and if not then 3%? If dodging Ult/CC

You really can't tell if something was dodged or not, though, because skillshots and stuff wouldn't be counted...

Papa AndreiFeb 26, 20171 votes

I was more thinking like you put same mechanic as Fiora parry in there

SzGamer227Feb 25, 20178 votes

Camille has a 47% win rate and her ult no longer persists after she has died. Why are these posts still popping up? Is it never enough?

CasterGilgameshFeb 25, 20174 votes

because most people in this community hate new things and everyone wants to go back to a season where Nidalee would legit one shot people with her spears

Sexy Jack RabbitFeb 26, 20172 votes

I'd rather Nidalee over Camille any day tbh. At least I can dodge a spear.

LeetriFeb 26, 20171 votes

Had you said that back in the day you would've been downvoted like hell. People hated Nidalee so much you would think her spear was a Veigar ult that also was invisible and had a 500% AP scaling. "Just pink the spears".

Sexy Jack RabbitFeb 26, 20171 votes

To be fair the spears hitbox was like twice the size back then.

EnloctFeb 26, 20171 votes

Also to be fair the spears were often invisible.

Jaygo41Feb 26, 20171 votes

Those are some awfully rosy colored goggles you got there. 'Member getting invaded at lvl 3 by someone that has way more dmg, a low CD wall hop (which also functions as an outplay button) super long range, and a heal?

I 'member. And I'll STILL will take current Camille over Nidalee in ANY incarnation where she was a viable jungler.

CasterGilgameshFeb 26, 20171 votes

remember ap yi? i member... member first release Leblanc i member member DFG i member...

Sexy Jack RabbitFeb 27, 20171 votes

You act like Nidalee doesn't do this now? She's still viable, moreso just with mains. Like Taliyah.

TyrekGoldenspearFeb 26, 20171 votes

For me it has been enough after these recent nerfs.

However clearly the community doesn't see it that way.

My post was meant to pick the brains of the community to see what it is that they want changed most. My suspicion was that the solution lay in the ult.

Snake TownFeb 26, 20171 votes

The problem with camille is that her kit is just too overbearing. I would guess she'll always either be underpowered or generally hated by the community. I don't think its about her being overpowered right now, just too flexible.

ForeverLaxxFeb 26, 20172 votes

People aren't concerned with balance. They just hate to fight something that can kill them. Most of the playerbase believes that "balance" means their particular champion choice is going to win if they "play right" at all points of the game. They want every fight to be in their favor while pretending it means they're skilled if they win.

It's about feeling good, and dying feels bad.

HethaleanFeb 26, 20172 votes

I mean win rate is never the only statistic to look at if a champion is over powered. That's not to say if Camille is in a good spot right now.

Also her death doesn't disperse her ult. Her ultimate lasts 1 second still. It's just no longer the full duration.

Asayake 5150glowFeb 26, 20171 votes

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I mean win rate is never the only statistic to look at if a champion is over powered. That's not to say if Camille is in a good spot right now.

Also her death doesn't disperse her ult. Her ultimate lasts 1 second still. It's just no longer the full duration.

It lasts 1 second after she dies, so...

HethaleanFeb 26, 20171 votes

If you're trying to trivialize the difference, might as well just have it last the full 4 seconds. Because 1 second is basically gone immediately, right?... Unless you're saying that you never notice a 1 second stun. I'm going to have to say being stuck in a hexagon for a second is a hell of a lot different than it being gone immediately.

Asayake 5150glowFeb 26, 20171 votes

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If you're trying to trivialize the difference, might as well just have it last the full 4 seconds. Because 1 second is basically gone immediately, right?... Unless you're saying that you never notice a 1 second stun. I'm going to have to say being stuck in a hexagon for a second is a hell of a lot different than it being gone immediately.

I'm trying to say that it's caused by her death and is directly related to it.

HethaleanFeb 26, 20171 votes

Yeah, and what I said is that her death doesn't disperse it... Just triggers it to despawn. So anyone thinking "BUT I KEEL HER. Why her ult still around?!" can disassociate that death means it's gone now.

SteelMankindFeb 25, 20177 votes

Im pretty sure the main point of j4 ult in 2017 isn't to trap people, it's to do massive damage with it's high base +150% bonus AD scaling.

kile147Feb 25, 20173 votes

No it's also to give the enemy Gnar, Poppy, and Vayne an opportunity to stun you with your own ult.

Arsenic SulfurFeb 26, 20174 votes

I mean... You can finally stop the Olaf from violating your backline. That's a plus.

AzuregoreFeb 26, 20171 votes

Thats a bad olaf. A good Olaf would violate your backline, while giving you the finger and downing all of Gragas' graggy ice supply.

PB4UAMEFeb 26, 20171 votes

This, J4 is a surprisingly good Olaf counter.

MangelinaJolieFeb 26, 20171 votes

If the Jarvan doesn't outright kill Vayne from the burst in his combo, and Edge of Night isn't up to block the Condemn, then he deserves to be stunned. Just saying.

ModAcademy KaynFeb 25, 20172 votes

I forgot the part where Camille does a burst of damage with her ult.

Off Meta EvanFeb 25, 20172 votes

I think invisabilites frames as a mechanic are generally rage inducing, Fizz Fiora cause we just ALL love these champions so much am i right :^). but really tho, adding mechanics like that makes counter match ups feel EXTREMELY onesided imo and are unfun to play against.

Guy Fox TeemoFeb 26, 20172 votes

Okay Camilie isn't even strong anymore; Hell shes a bad champion now, only having been over bearing before because of overtuned numbers.

So no Camilies ult should not work like that and she should keep her untargetable mechanic on her ult. Because theres no reason to fkin nerf her anymore, don't want another god dam Azir or Kalista case, where they are nerfed to the point of complete shit.

TyrekGoldenspearFeb 26, 20171 votes

See my comment below.

I personally felt like these recent nerfs were more than enough. However the community doesn't see it that way. I am attempting to see what would satisfy them by suggesting things like this.

Guy Fox TeemoFeb 26, 20171 votes

The community is never satisfied, so post like these just kinda add to the circle jerk that goes on in the boards. I appreciate you trying though.