Manamune buildpath/recipe change

NewplayerExp LUL··5 votes·6,357 views
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Manamune (and ofc Muramana) will inherit the 10% CDR from the Warhammer, while the total cost will remain the same, so buying Manamune itself would cost 450g instead 675g. As to not risk making the item too good, I suggest reverting the 10 AD buff Manamune got on patch 9.9., the better build path and extra CDR that is usual users want should make up for it, if not, they can add it back later.

As to why, I think item 3004 is a pretty cool item, but in is current form there are better choices even on champs where it should be decent on (the only champs that do use it rn are Ezreal ,Kaisa and Kayle , and the last 2 only started using it after the 10 AD buff), and I think this could be fixed with some simple improvements:

  1. A better build path With this build path, every component costs 450g or less so you should be able to buy a component every time you back (ever noticed how smooth is to build item 3153 ?), also, since you can't really start the game with item 1027 (the only item 3004 user that really could was old Yorick ), with this build path we have the posibility to start item 1036 +item 2031 .

  2. Some CDR Since if a champ wants to build a tear item, they probably like to spam abilities, and so they probably like CDR (fact that Riot probably realized when they added item 3802 in the item 3003 build path + another 10% CDR, back in early season 8). Also there aren't many item options if you want AD, mana and CDR, only other 2 being item 3078 and item 3508 , and beside the fact item 3508 is a crit item that only recovers mana, they are both really expensive, so with this it would help fill that niche and open it up for more champs.

I also thought about simply adding a item 1036 to the current build path or replace item 1037 with 2xitem 1036 , but item 3133 made more sense to me for the item.

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Titanium705 votes

I mean.. only logical for a mana Item to have CDR on it but... Does this game really need MORE CDR?

I don't think so....

NewplayerExp LUL2 votes

While I agree there is a lot of CDR in the game, I mostly see it in support, assassins, mages and AD bruisers itemization. AD poke/spell slingers don't really have many options and end up using assassin items for their CDR, so I think is an OK option to give.

Polaris I2 votes

No, those champs don’t need buffs. Giving them more cdr on top of them already building cdr is a bad choice.

NewplayerExp LUL1 votes

It would be -10 AD for 10% CDR and the better build path, it shouldn't push anyone over the top. Kai'sa (who is the most meta/aids out of all of them) might even drop it since it would mess up with her Q evolve timing.

Kazekiba2 votes

We really don't need ANOTHER source of CDR in the game. there's already excessive CDR bloat, especially certain items gaining it from absolutely nowhere (item 3194 item 3071 item 3001 )

Archangel functioned just fine back when it had the ideal buildpath of a giant stat stick item 3070 item 1058

JuiceBoxP1 votes

This would be a huge buff to the item becauseitem 3133 is a tremendously better item thanitem 1037 and will allow its users an early damage boost with double long sword instead of waiting for 875 gold for item 1037

NewplayerExp LUL3 votes

Um not really, yes double long sword would be higher dmg if you went back and didn't have enought money for item 1037 (that's why is a better build path), otherwise item 1037 and item 1036 have the exact same gold efficienty. And in terms of AD, both item 1037 and item 3133 have the same stat of 25 AD, so no, not really a "huge" buff of an item or damage boost.

JuiceBoxP2 votes

No, warhammer has better gold efficiency, which makes it a better item, And a better build path.

Btw, pickaxe is only 85% gold efficient, long sword is 100% gold efficient, so, you are wrong.

Edit: Miscalculated it, nvm Warhammer is still a better item than pickaxe valued at 115% gold efficiency

NewplayerExp LUL2 votes

Yes, I agree Warhammer is the better item, didn't argue about that (where did you get 115% gold efficiency tho, I only see 103.79% on lol wiki). And yes, has a better build path, that's why I want it as an improvement. But I don't think is such a "huge" buff or that item 3133 is a "tremendously better item" as in your initial statement.

JuiceBoxP1 votes

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NewplayerExp LUL1 votes

Um item 1051 gives crit not CDR. The only 400g item that gives CDR is item 3301 . As far as the wiki value, it comes from item 3067 and values it at 26.6 per point of CDR, as far as that goes, simple maths shows is true. So even if you find a cheaper source, CDR would be valued 26.6g or less and item 3133 gold efficienty 103.79% or less. In either cases this still proves my statement that item 3133 anditem 1037 isn't as huge of an upgrade as you make it out to be.

JuiceBoxP1 votes

Ah shit, i posted the looked at the wrong item Scratch that then

Kazekiba1 votes

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Um not really, yes double long sword would be higher dmg if you went back and didn't have enought money for item 1037 (that's why is a better build path), otherwise item 1037 and item 1036 have the exact same gold efficienty. And in terms of AD, both item 1037 and item 3133 have the same stat of 25 AD, so no, not really a "huge" buff of an item or damage boost.

Tell that to "Best build path in the entire game" Rocket belt getting to build out of a Revolver + Kindlegem.

NewplayerExp LUL1 votes

Not sure what you mean by that, completly different set of items and revolver has a passive that deals dmg, thats the what you get for the 180g cost of it, no AP increase, the same thing happens with item 3144 , its whole cost is the dmg from its active.

JuiceBoxP1 votes

Rofl

Jesi Oni1 votes

You are saying like its a bad thing... Ezreal is underperforming and only he builds it. His win ratio is similar to KALISTA

(ADC)

LittleDemonTrist1 votes

i got an idea. this might be broken, might be shit. lower the muramana onhit dmg but make it proc on aoe abilities too. ezreal wont 1shot u as much (def not biased), jayce might want to start using it with his Q etc. just make sure malza´s E doesnt proc it 30times and 1shot everything.

NewplayerExp LUL1 votes

Ez 1 shotting rn happens more since of the rework on his W, old ez couldn't do that (beside full AP) and Muramana does 30-40 dmg on proc after armor, so I think is low enough. I was thinking maybe "if an aoe ability only hits 1 champ it will proc muramana".

Also Malz E is a single target DoT, so it wouldn't work either way, Urf malz builded that cuz his voidlings proced it on hit.

LittleDemonTrist1 votes

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Ez 1 shotting rn happens more since of the rework on his W, old ez couldn't do that (beside full AP) and Muramana does 30-40 dmg on proc after armor, so I think is low enough. I was thinking maybe "if an aoe ability only hits 1 champ it will proc muramana".

Also Malz E is a single target DoT, so it wouldn't work either way, Urf malz builded that cuz his voidlings proced it on hit.

i meant: make sure every tick of the DoT doesnt apply it.

NewplayerExp LUL1 votes

That's already a thing, it doesn't apply to dots, as I said in my comment "Also Malz E is a single target DoT, so it wouldn't work either way'. Not stated in muramana tooltip, but is a thing, you can check here https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Muramana or try yourself in-game.

Modl Ryden l1 votes

I sympathize with Yorick benefiting from this kind of buff.

But then also the likes of GP will have Q-fest top lane too.

And you might surprised with what players would want to do with this kind of new power added to manamune.

It'd open up a lot of champions to the item for sure. But it's kinda hard to want it to happen because Riot has instilled a lot of melee non-assassin champs to incorporate CDs and ability weaving into their kits over attack speed. So this would only be a buff to them and have them play a lot more like Riven or Aatrox.

NewplayerExp LUL1 votes

If it would end up in Yorick builds, it would sure make glad as it would bring him closer to his pre rework build.

GP already has a Q fest top cuz klepto/grasp, nothing new in that. And while it might be an option for him, he would prob still go lethality over manamune as it doesn't proc on his barells or ult.

I already expect people to try it on every champion that can remotely use it and to see tons of videos with "new build" left and right and after all the hype and experimention it results the champions it used to be built (and some new ones) to go back to it or at least make it a viable option, then I'd consider the changes to have done it's job. It's also not that big of a power up since is -10 AD for 10 CDR.

As for your last point, the item was made for poke and spell slingers/ability weaving champions, not as an attack speed item and I do like ability weaving between autos, not really Aatrox/Riven style, I preffer more Jayce's style.

Vlada Cut1 votes

That's great! The item will basically be a HPless Version of item 3053 with CDR.

NewplayerExp LUL1 votes

Um, I don't see the resemblance, if you take out the hp from steraks, you are left with base AD and the shield passive, how is that similar to item 3004 ?

Vlada Cut1 votes

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Um, I don't see the resemblance, if you take out the hp from steraks, you are left with base AD and the shield passive, how is that similar to item 3004 ?

The scaling ADC. Sterak's Gage's AD depends on user's AD, the way how Manamune's bonus AD depends on Mana. The scaling feature is what makes them similar.

GigglesO1 votes

If only riot was to buff tank items in the same way...

NewplayerExp LUL2 votes

Soo, a better build path and some CDR?

GigglesO2 votes

Would be better than just leaving them rot to death.

Yordle Xayah1 votes

Ezreal is a degenerate and I'd rather face 100 Yasuos, 50 Zoes, 25 Rivens and 15 Pykes before facing a single motherfucking degenerate Ezreal.

He doesn't need help.

Bârd1 votes

Oh great another item that gives CDR.

We don't have enough of those already.

crippler381 votes

Only problem I have with this is that Manamune is a lot of AD and its bad build path, plus its ramp up, are why it isn't bought on pretty much any mana caster.

Also Warhammer builds into friggin everything.

Jesi Oni1 votes

Maybe use lethality build path instead of cdr? item 3134

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