i feel like the new thornmail is worse than the old one after all.
pros for the new one:
-reduces heal -slows AAs -got 250 HP
cons:
-less armor - a lot less damage
old one got: 25% bonus armor + 15% of the enemies attacks new: 10% bonus armor
==> the damage of the old one was a lot stronger than the new one EVEN WITH THE HEALREDUCE.
Atkspeed-slow is useless on this item, it reduce the thorn-impact = counters itself
what is your opinion?
IronwallJackson3 votesIt's an item meant to reduce how much an enemy carry can use you as a moving health battery, and in that respect, this item is better than it used to be. Thornmail was never really meant to be an offensively-inclined item, and seeing as only a few champions could really use it that way, the loss of damage isn't anything I'll be mourning.
Edit: The application of Grievous wounds, even as brief as it is, can't be underestimated. Attacking a Thornmail-laden tank will cut a Soraka's effectiveness on the ADC by half, it'll do the same for summoner heal, Judgement, and so on. The combination of GW , the cold steel passive, and literally any health makes Thornmail into a legit tank purchase instead of an ultra-niche thing that only Rammus and Malph have a real reason to buy.
Darkdemon6532 votesIt's an item meant to reduce how much an enemy carry can use you as a moving health battery, and in that respect, this item is better than it used to be
It's not. The old damage taken minus healing received through lifesteal was higher than the current damage taken minus healing received through lifesteal. TMail's damage got reduced by a much greater amount than the amount by which GW reduces healing.
Breaku3 votesNew one is much better, possibly even too strong. It'll shift the top lane meta heavily I think.
Dreadlocks2 votesThis thing is actually busting my balls... I was so happy to see the changes now im like omg what do I build vs it...
Rainfall1 votestanks are complete and utter garbage and completely unplayable in the toplane,soon poppy and sion will be primarily supports and everyone will be happy,riot did a good job gutting tank items.
Succeedsawce1 votesWhy are people downvoting this? he's right... the math has been done and old thornmail was actually better vs lifesteal (unless they bought like 3 lifesteal items), for less gold...
AND it did more damage vs those who didn't have lifesteal. this new thornmail is shit and the stats on it make no sense.
Shadewolf1 votesthank you :) just nobody knew about the power the old thornmail had.