Jungling

Xelnex··2 votes·348 views

What is the right time to go back to base, because you have to do so much as a jg that you hardly find any time going back, more ganks means less farm, more farm means less ganks, more of both means less going back to base, (i need frequent supply of pink wards) My post points out that i am an extremely bad jg, i do secure kills, but i wanna learn more. Can someone give me some tips and tricks?

Farming as a jg is harder than a laner, as a laner i get about 80 cs by 10 minute, as a jg, not so much.How do i increase this? Should i give the bot lane kills to adc and eat the mid and top laners? What is the meta?

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Slythion1 votes

I need some more information man, the jungle role is arguably the most diverse role in league

There are junglers with powerful in the early game that should focus on ganking such as: LeeSin Shaco

There are junglers that are designed to counter jungle or create objective pressure: Nunu Kindred Shyvana

There are champs that need to farm up and abuse their early clear speeds: Udyr Shyvana

obviously most champs accomplish more than 1 role, or a bit of all of them. What junglers do you play?

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Xelnex1 votes

I used to play MasterYi and somewhere on the wiki it was said he was a farming jg not a ganking jg, i then switched to Warwick , and he seemed more of a farming type than master yi, because his R is the only gap closing ability (i use it to shut down adc in team fight), with WW i can create massive objective pressure, with yi its little easier to gank.

Now i play with Vi because she was free and i wanted to try out new. I wanna try out XinZhao because i feel he is purely a ganker, more than yi.

Also i tend to counter jg a lot, and ward my jg with item 3711 , which makes them gank the lanes a lot. (its a no win situation lol T_T ) And also, i pick master yi when the team is tanky, and ww when my team needs a tank, just to get that good team comp.

Poppy can be a tank too, i own her, but its harder to jg with her lol. Actually lets be honest, i know she is a good champ, the pros use her a lot, but i suck.

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

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Generally, you just have to farm efficiently and take lane farm when possible (when ally backs, after getting a kill, split-pushing, etc). 60 farm by 10 minutes into the game is a good goal (you won't always reach it, but it will give you something to aim form).

You shouldn't worry about who gets the kills. While some champions use the gold more effectively than other, the important thing is that the enemy is dead to your teams' benefit and you have time to pressure objectives (take towers, dragon, invade the enemy jungle, force a fight with a numbers advantage, etc).

I've left some tips I had previous written up below, but feel free to ask if you have any specific questions. I'll try to answer.

I would suggest watching videos by high-ELO and/or professional junglers (i.e. Nightblue3, Stonewall008, Valkyrin, and foxdropLOL). They will typically provide a lot of useful tips while playing and you can often see or hear their decision process and some optimizations throughout the game.

Off the top of my head, some basic optimizations may be:

  • Use hard-CC when the monster camps are about to attack you to cancel that attack and delay their next.
  • Each of the smite buffs are quite useful in different situations. Be sure to take proper advantage of them.
    • Raptor's buff is great for ganking
    • Gromp buff provides extra damage during clears and fights, especially for champions with a lot of health
    • Krug's buff reduces the damage you take while clearing and lets champions without CC kill Scuttle Crab faster
    • Wolf buff is useful when you are being counter-jungled or invaded (or after your initial towers have fallen).
  • If you have a weak early clear, Krugs -> Raptor's -> Red Buff is probably the route that conserves the most health.
  • Kill the little Raptors and the little Krug first on single-target clearers. They deal a significant amount of damage for their health value, so you will be healthier if they die early.
  • If you think the enemy jungler will invade you early game, it can be safer to start on a buff camp rather than a little camp since you are less likely to be where they are looking.
  • Attack Speed is extremely efficient at clearing on most junglers. I'd recommend using about 15% on champions when you need to speed up their clear even if they don't use the stat much later (with a few exceptions, such as Nidalee and Evelynn).
  • Keep a pink ward out (or in your inventory) whenever possible. This is important for every champion, but I thought I should emphasis it. There isn't really a good reason not to.

As far as ganking is concerned:

  • When possible, conserve your gap-closer while ganking. If you can get to the enemy champion without using your mobility spell(s), then you can save it to catch them after they try to escape (Flash, dash, blink, etc).
  • You should should try to stay between the enemy and their escape route. You should be trying to move backwards (towards their escape) in-between attacks so that you can body-block them and slow their escape. This also leaves you closer to them if they try to dash on blink past you.
  • Use Raptor's smite buff to determine if you have been spotted by wards when ganking to reduce the risk of them escaping or receiving a counter-gank.
  • It can be risky to gank top-lane while Dragon is up since the enemy team can just group and take it 4v3. I'd recommend ganking top-lane early if possible (after your initial clear) and when Dragon is down; that lane can be quite snowbally due to isolation, so you want to get your ally ahead.
  • Learn to recognize the general times when buff camps spawn during games. If you see the enemy gank bottom lane while their top-side buff is up, you can go steal it from them.
  • Watch when top and bottom lane initially go into lane. If that lane has leashed for their jungler (missing health, mana, or showed up to lane a bit late), then you know where the enemy jungler has likely started and where they will end their clear (where is closest for them to gank).
  • If you have killed the enemy laner, you can either allow your laner to freeze or shove the lane into the enemy tower. If you shove the wave under tower and the next minion wave is coming up, it can be helpful to proxy it to ensure that the wave fully resets and the enemy laner misses as much as possible. This is very situational though and you will have to learn when through experience.

Other tips:

  • Whenever possible, walk up to the enemy champion during a gank and save your gap-closer for after they use their escape abilities.
  • Watch the enemy laners when they go into lane. Whichever lane shows up later and/or missing mana will likely indicate which side of the jungle the enemy jungler started on (which is useful for predicting gank paths and for counter-jungling).
  • When against aggressive early counter-junglers (i.e. Shaco) it can be a good idea to start on your buff camp and/or to start on a different side than you usually do. If he invades your buff, you've already taken it and/or you aren't there to be killed.
  • Watch the minimap to see when and where the enemy goes to ward, which laners are pushing, which laners are vulnerable
  • Know, roughly, how most laning matchups go so that you can prioritize which lanes are the easiest to gank or require an early gank to decide the matchup.
  • If you have blown an enemy's Flash during a gank but haven't killed them, swing back around immediately after an gank them again. Many people don't expect it
  • If you've killed an enemy during a previous gank in top lane, kill them again immediately after they return to lane. They likely won't have wards up yet and a second back-to-back death can be enough to completely crush any chance that opponent has to recover the lane.
  • Top laners rarely bother warding the lane bushes. As such, lane ganks can be quite surprising and effective.
  • When you kill an enemy laner, shove the minion wave into the tower so they miss gold and experience and so that the minion wave will reset to the middle of the lane. If you can get away with it, clear the upcoming minion wave as well to ensure the reset and maximum missed minions.

You will learn a lot through experience, but these tips should help you at the start.

Xelnex1 votes

That was helpful, thank you.
I have questions, but i will ask later.

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

depends on what champion. some champs. can't clear both jg sides before backing efficiently. so I back after one side. becuase if u overstay and try to sustain and clear more before backing. you will end up farming slower. some champs like warwick. can clear both sides pretty fast. anyway what I do is usually. get the half part of the jg item. stalkers or whatever one of these 3 depends on situation and enemy team comp. and then not back (unless i have to). until i have enough gold to buy the whole item. especially with devoure. I play efficiently and get it as fast as possible to get the stacking going. I see people buy it by parts and end up getting it at 12 minutes because if they didn't back and took 2-3 more camps they would have had enough to get it at lets say 8 minutes.

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