@RitoPls Singed Rework is Definitely Needed.

Igglet··5 votes·2,528 views

(I originally posted this on PBE thread but that was a bad idea) I believe that I have read that Singed Singed isn't getting a reworked because he has a distinct identity and blah blah blah. I hope that Rioter who wrote this was drunk or just kidding. I just played against Singed and he is awful. He is the most terribly made champion in the game, most likely. Don't get me wrong, he has an identity but that identity is, other than the don't chase Singed, mostly that he is a troll champion. And don't tell me he isn't. When this guy is picked in your game, was there EVER a time when you said: Wo, we got Singed in our team! Can't remember it? Though, were you ever okay with having one of these champions in your team (picked randomly)? AatroxAzir Corki Gangplank Lucian TahmKench Trundle Viktor MonkeyKing Zed Zyra If answer to one of those is No, then I'm guessing that's a champ that's planned to have a rework. Oh, and, if you need more... uhm... solid(?) proof, let's look at his spells. I'll be looking at a proffesional Singed guide, just to prove how bs this guy is.

#KEEP IN MIND, I MAY BE COMPLETELY WRONG!

  • Singed's passive which gives 25% of your mana into HP Despite this, you should not fully invest yourself into building mana items Mana is a stat that doesn't directly help you in a team fight. Whether you have 1k mana at the start of a fight or 4k mana will not directly impact your ability to kill someone or survive. This passive adds some survivability, but not that much.

Basically, his passive is mostly useless and scales off of a stat that he doesn't need. Then we have his Q.

  • Singed's signature ability and primary source of damage Get this at level 1, and max it first It is deceptively powerful, has a 90% TOTAL AP scaling. Each poison tick has 30% scaling, an d enemies are GUARANTEED to receive 3 poison ticks upon exposure. The longer they stay exposed, the more poison ticks.

The spell really doesn't deal that much damage if you, well, know how to play against him. This is why he is a special snowflake, but this is also why he is so problematic. You won't know how to use him or this spell until you get to high elo, and, in high elo, no matter how good you play him, he is still gonna be weak. I ain't a proffesional master player but I know a few things too. Now to his W.

  • Don't get this until level 8, you won't need it until then and it's extremely mana hungry to use so early. Use this to help catch up to enemies or run away from enemies. This can now be used to snare someone if you use Fling to throw someone onto it. A full 1 second of hard cc is a big deal because you can use it to trap someone under your tower in lane phase or guarantee a kill for your team. In team fights, place this between your ADC and the enemy front line to make it harder for them to catch your carry and makes it easier for your carry to kite.

So this is basically a useless ability. This is also a spell that you won't know how to use if you aren't really good. And now to his E.

  • The only time you would ever level this skill at level 1 is if your team is fully committed to invading the enemy jungle for a kill. Your primary fight-starting and peeling ability. Use this after the enemy front line uses their gap closers to get to your ADC, then fling them away from your ADC and so they will be helpless and useless. Can be used to cancel channeling ( Death Lotus, Stand United, Teleport, etc). Is a form of Hard CC, use it wisely because it has long cooldown (10 seconds). Use this to initiate a trade. Attack-move the ground immediately after flinging an enemy to land a mid-air auto-attack on them. I personally like to hotkey attack-move to my Mouse3 Button (press the mouse wheel). Can be used to flip an enemy over a wall, if positioned properly.

This is imo one of his best spells. It can be used to interrupt, fling over walls etc. etc. The spell itself needs some change but I think it mostly works as it should. Oh, and the ultimate.

  • Turn this on when a fight starts. Turn this on when your opponent goes HAM on you. Turn this on when you want to go HAM on your opponent. Turn this on if you need to catch someone. Turn this on if you need to run away faster.

That God-damned spell... it's so boring.. I really don't know if it's that bad or not but it is goddamned boring.

You could say that he can be strong in right hands, but, guess what, you can say that about any champion. And, he may be okay, I am overreacting probably, but, he definitely isn't balanced. He really needs a rework. I may be wrong though. If I am, beat me to death with a stick made out of Swain's fur.

I'll add a few things that I didn't say on the PBE boards. The guy never really fits the meta. You will never see him on a top 5 list unless he gets overbuffed. You won't see him on LCS. I just want to pick a champion and play him basically as I'd play most of the champions. I kinda believe that he may be the worstly made champion, and, even though this is just me, I'd rather have Yorick Yorick in my team than Singed.

that's just me though.

18 Comments

Lugg2 votes

I personally think that Singed is one of the best balanced champs in the game. He counters a few champs (but not hard), is countered by a few (can be worked around), and is a skill matchup with everyone else. He has a distinct personality and playstyle unlike any other champion in the game. Why would you want to change that?

Igglet1 votes

Well, I think I kind of disagree, his playstyle makes him unnapealing and it's sad that there's a champion that's considered troll. I'd like you to comment on my points a bit, I'm interested in your feedback.

Lugg1 votes

A lot of people do find his style of play unappealing since it's so different from other champs. He does provide some of the best zoning in the game though. I will get a mana item first since he is a big mana hog early game, then I rush item 3116 and item 3151. The combo of those two items makes Singed do some of the highest damage in the game. I have out damaged several fed ADCs this way. Plus he is EXTREMELY fun once you get him down. You can mock the enemy team relentlessly. I have had more teams surrender to Singed than any other champ (including Teemo!)

As for your points, Singed passive is a bit underwhelming but you do have to build some mana on him to be able to use his abilities properly. That is why item 3070 is a great first item on him, you get mana and some health with it.

His Q is SO good. With the items above, you melt ANYONE in the game. Other teams can never chase your team while you have it up. Otherwise they just kill themselves. When used properly, it completely zones out the other team from diving and chasing.

W also allows for some good zoning. You can use it offensively to catch people or defensively to get away. The root if you fling someone into it is just gravy since only an idiot would be out of position to let you fling them into it.

E is what separates the average Singed players from the great ones. Knowing when to use it offensively or defensively is key. As well as being in the right position. Flinging a tank over a wall and out of a fight or flinging the enemy carry into your team is a game winning move. Don't forget to master the auto attack while they are in the air move.

The Singed ult just makes him better at everything. Always activate it before a fight. It increases your armor, MR, AP, MS, health and mana regen for 25 seconds!

So Singed can be an absolute terror in the right hands. He is very tanky late game and does the most damage of any tank hands down. The longer the game goes, the less chance you have of beating Singed. The reason you don't see him much at the pro level is that pros know to stay out of the poison and his zones of control. You will see them play him a lot in solo q since he is a tank that can hard carry games.

I hope this helps you understand Singed's place in the game.

P.S. A good Yorick is actually nice to have on your team. He keeps your carry alive long enough to win pretty much every teamfight.

Igglet1 votes

You have a point, though I just simply feel like something should be done with him. Also, I like having Yorick in a team too, but, it's just bugging me that a champion that I actually like having in my team is getting a rework and Singed isn't. That's just me though.

MisterHealYoGirl1 votes

Just because you don't like a champion doesn't make them toxic. Singed has a very distinctive and effective playstyle; just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's bad. You said it yourself: "I just want to pick a champion and play him basically as I'd play most of the champions". Well, Singed ISN'T like most other champions, and that's not a bad thing. What's the point of having more than a hundred champions in a game if you play all of them the same way?

Igglet2 votes

You may be right, but, the thing is, he does have flaws. In his current state, I doubt that he'll ever be viable. I have a problem with the fact that there's such champion that people consider as a troll champion, yet there are still no plans on changing him.

MisterHealYoGirl1 votes

Again, I think you're putting too much emphasis on what 'people' think. What matters is whether or not he can be successful, and he's been sitting on a solid win and pick rate for a very long time now. He's also been picked several times that I can think of in pro play: it's indicative that he has an esports skin, indicating that someone won Worlds with him.

Igglet1 votes

Oh, yeah, SSW Singed, how did I forget about him... though I believe that Meta back then suited him much better, and most champions should be solid in all metas. Funny thing is, he is currently in the top 10 least played champions on ranked. The only divisions where he gets SOME play are Diamond and Master, even though his play rate is horrible there too. He's sitting on a 50.7% win rate globally, though his win rate really jumps around depending on the division. In Diamond, his win rate is quite high, though his play rate is literally invisible. Meanwhile, in lower elo, he is very low. Compare that to Nautilus Nautilus, who has a good play rate in every elo. Singed is comparable to champions that have higher win rates in higher elos, but, his play rate is very low, which kind of shows that not many people play this guy, and, those who do are probably very skilled with him. Compare that to Kalista Kalista, who has a lower global win rate mostly because of her poor win rate in lower elo, but, as we go to higher elo, her win rate gets higher too. The difference is that Kal actually has a solid play rate too, and is a go-to champion to more people than there are Singed mains, all three of them.

MisterHealYoGirl1 votes

If most champions were equally good in all metas, there would be no metas. That's what a meta IS: it's a game state in which some champions are strong and others are weak.

Think about it this way. Singed is a champion unlike many others: you love him or you hate him, as evidenced by his fairly low pick rate and highest average games per player. Singed is a niche champion, and THAT'S OKAY. If you don't like a champion, just don't play them. Champions that are reworked are generally reworked because either the abilities don't work well together or otherwise make no sense (Gangplank) or they're so toxic to play AGAINST that they just wind up being nerf-hammered into oblivion (Poppy). You could argue that Singed fits into the first category, but his kit is actually fairly cohesive, as simple as it is.

Igglet1 votes

You may be right, but, Singed, in certain metas, is totally forgotten and literally invisible. That's just me though. I like the idea of unique styles of playing the game, but, since there's only one champion that actually gives you that kind of playstyle, it feels very weird.

Deus Imperator1 votes

How dare you say that teemo mentor needs a rework?

Singed, just like teemo, are the best at what they do:Annoy and tilting the living day of the enemy team

Teemo with his poison and shrooms,Singed with his poison cloud and splitpush

Want a ranged top? Pick teemo

Need a tanky top? Singed

Igglet1 votes

B-b-b-b-but, but, but, but... I thought I was Teemo's mentor...

runs away

ThatWood5Guy1 votes

I agree with this. Riot, please make it so that singed auto laughs when I deal a killing blow. I'm so sick of having to spam ctrl-4

Igglet1 votes

Yeah, I'd be satisfied with that rework.

0NegativeCubed01 votes

Please RITO can there be a singed rework please!!!

His Q is the only interesting ability that defines his kit, if there is ever a rework this ability must be in his kit and he should have more of his Q in his kit meaning that they would interact together for example his W could make his trail explode and his E make it be slow...

Pls Rito give love to Singed

GLHF

lp bless yo trap1 votes

Singed is a great champion. I think he has problems with being "meta" but who cares? He's like the champion of a certain type of player. Players who work with their team than against. Singed in my opinion encourages teamwork because by himself he's pretty garbage. Now, not saying every Singed player plays the same. But when you have a Singed with a item 3116 and a item 3800 and summoner 6 , oh my god he is a cc machine. Singed is my favorite champion in the game so maybe I'm biased but I think Singed is the purest form of jolly cooperation there could be. I think Singed is just fine the way he is. I love you Singed. Singed summoner 6 summoner 12 4lyfe

Meep Man1 votes

Honestly, the only thing I would even think about changing with Singed is his Passive since most builds don't even make use of it. Singed may not be meta or anything, but who cares. He is Singed. He is fun. No one expects him to be meta, but they still like him.

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