But
has been a Top 3 ADC in Pro play since the buff's he got back in 6.24, More then a year ago. And you can't nerf his itemization because he'll just switch to Lethality or Crit and be Fine.
Teridax6823 votesI think this just goes to show that some champions can and do feel fair, even when they're ridiculously strong. Tristana and Twitch are complained about not just because they're overtuned, but also because they feel consistently unfair to play against: Trist has a whole bunch of cheap tools she can use to peel for herself, whereas Twitch is notorious for his burst and ability to kill entire teams in literally just a couple of seconds. By contrast, when Varus isn't constantly spamming Q, he generally feels like he has the proper strengths and weaknesses a marksman should have, namely lots of DPS, but also a lot of personal vulnerability. That's why Twitch still gets complained about when his win rate's under 49% and his play rate is under 3%, but Varus flies completely under the radar despite having the second highest win and pick rates in the game for a marksman (51.38% and a whopping 30.37%, respectively).
Marshbouy3 votesYeah, in lane I always feel like Varus was fair even if his damage is overbearing.
Rexxiee1 votesI think this just goes to show that some champions can and do feel fair, even when they're ridiculously strong. Tristana and Twitch are complained about not just because they're overtuned, but also because they feel consistently unfair to play against: Trist has a whole bunch of cheap tools she can use to peel for herself, whereas Twitch is notorious for his burst and ability to kill entire teams in literally just a couple of seconds. By contrast, when Varus isn't constantly spamming Q, he generally feels like he has the proper strengths and weaknesses a marksman should have, namely lots of DPS, but also a lot of personal vulnerability. That's why Twitch still gets complained about when his win rate's under 49% and his play rate is under 3%, but Varus flies completely under the radar despite having the second highest win and pick rates in the game for a marksman (51.38% and a whopping 30.37%, respectively).
Varus is healthy yeah, hitting a 1 item power spike and then right clicking you out of the game.
Who cares what boards think is broken? Ppl here think shit like sion and varus are "fair" in their current states because they have never played a diamond level or higher game vs those champions who are absurdly overpowered atm.
Not even to mention there are the daily complaint thread about zed or fizz or whatever other trash tier assassin above gold.
Teridax681 votesI mean, statistically a certain amount of people will always dislike a champion no matter what, so you finding Varus unhealthy is valid, but then so are the opinions of others on the Boards. Because League is a game with many players beyond just the Diamond+ level (in fact, most players are under Diamond), it's generally better to go with general consensus, rather than one group over another. There is a case for how champions can be healthy in some divisions and unhealthy in others, and could therefore require targeted adjustments there, but overall the general consensus, and not just on the Boards, seems to be that Varus and Sion are healthy overall, even if they're significantly overpowered.
People like to complain about the Boards as if it were exclusively populated by low-elo players circlejerking around X champion, but the fact of the matter is that there are players from all divisions here, and repeated complaints for literally every class of champions. This space perhaps isn't the totality of the League community, but it's nonetheless a diverse enough sample of players, and so imo a good place to gauge general trends for hot-button problems in League. As such, elitism towards players below some arbitrary cutoff point doesn't really contribute to discussion, and merely draws line in the sand by dismissing valid player opinions. In this respect, while I don't think your opinions on Sion or Varus are invalid, that does not contradict the fact that there seems to be a general consensus overall that these champions are healthy, or at least healthier than the average champion.
ApexInTheCircle17 votesIf I can be perfectly honest, I find Varus to be much less of a threat than say Twitch or Trist. I think the main problem that everyone has with Trist and Twitch is their relative safety. Twitch has his stealth with a retardedly low detection range and trist has 2 forms of self peel. As opposed to Varus which is relatively immobile and has no real safety features built into his kit.
Chembaron Yamada1 votesVarus has his ult for peel, so no real safety features is not really correct.
SSShutTheDuckUp1 votes
that's right, when I Q a minion close to him and he R me he is guaranteed to be lower HP than me, so my E can stun him
Rins Thigh Socks2 votesIf I can be perfectly honest, I find Varus to be much less of a threat than say Twitch or Trist.
Then you're wrong. While Boards has been crusading Twitch and Trist, Kog and Varus have been effectively sitting in place and outtanking and outdamaging whole teams in high elo.
They're much more of a threat and have been for ages.
HeeroTX5 votesIn high elo your team will peel for the carries, in low elo.... [sg-ahri-1]
Khristophoros7 votesIs there a problem with Varus being top tier? He's probably the least complained about ADC so maybe his design is healthier, and a better option would be to determine what makes people hate the other ADCs so much.
XxDRAGONsAK47xX5 votesI complain about him :/
He's a fucking annoying ass champion to play against. He has a huge poke, he has a slow, he has a root, and his damn passive makes 1v1ing him impossible.
Nyarlathοtep5 votesHe has a huge poke,
Which you can sidestep with just a single click on the sides.
, he has a slow
Which is only that. And gw.
he has a root,
Which again can be dodged.
his damn passive makes 1v1ing him impossible.
What? I mean he can become more dangerous after he gets a kill or assist. But not impossible to 1v1. My god some people just really dont use logic.
XxDRAGONsAK47xX3 votesVarus's slow also applies grievous wounds.
and no, I'm talking about his W passive. Ya know, the one that allows him to auto you 3 times, press q/e to one shot you??
My god some people just really dont use logic.
Nyarlathοtep2 votesI did mention that it also applies grievous wounds (gw).
And you have to specify which passive when a champ has multiple passives. By just throwing around the word alone passive most people assume the passive.
And no it doesnt one shot (unless he is fed). At max the proc deals plus 5% of the targets max hp which is not whole lot. Hp% max damage is better against beefy targets but against squishy ones not that good.
My god you really dont know how lol works now do you.
XxDRAGONsAK47xX3 votesOh you're right my bad.
I guess my last 2 games just didn't happen lmao, must've been my imagination.
Thank god I have these boards to fix me!
Nyarlathοtep1 votesReplay or it didnt happen.
T4underbolt1 votesIt does happen. After varus has rageblade it's over. He reached late game with one item and is now able to literally kill people with one W stack proc.. though it takes like 5-6 autos in total it doesn't change the fact it's too fast for ADC with one item. His Q that should be main source of DMG is only used to proc W not even for poke.
Not really but w/e. Doesnt look like you bunch will try to use reason.
Kubox1 votesNo problem with him being top tier.
It's how he does it.
The moment Varus has rageblade you might as well give upon fighting him bot.
XxDRAGONsAK47xX3 votesIMO Varus is more Op than twitch.
Varus can auto someone 3 times in 1.5 seconds then press Q and kill them.
Twitch has stealth... That's it :/
Nut on my Butt2 votesA lot of people, myself included, don't give a shit about pro play, and yes nerfing his itemization will hurt him because he currently favors onhit over the other two builds for a reason.
Rins Thigh Socks2 votes[{quoted}](name=Daddy Issues,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wJxQxQXV,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-03-05T09:29:17.336+0000)
A lot of people, myself included, don't give a shit about pro play, and yes nerfing his itemization will hurt him because he currently favors onhit over the other two builds for a reason.
Pro play trickles into high elo very quickly. Varus is not enjoyable to play against, personally. He's fairly obnoxious to get on top of and when you're there you have to make sure you combo him correctly and quickly or you just end up dead.
On a side note, how ya doing Sundae?
Morticianjohn2 votesAshe is another one who was never complained about when she was top tier. They are similar in the fact they have a cc ult and no mobility. They rely on proper positioning around their team. Really these two are the most healthy marksmen to have at the top tier because they are so team reliant.
DuskDaUmbreon6 votesExcept Ashe does significantly lower damage than every other ADC. Her passive is only more damage than other ADCs after 10 autos at 100% crit, and is less until then (crit chance/10+1 is the number of autos you need to do more damage than an ADC with equal stats on autos alone). Her Q is a small damage amp, W isn't massive damage, E is non-damaging, R only does serious damage when she's actually building AP.
Varus, meanwhile, can kill a lethality MF faster than the lethality MF can kill him. By building on-hit - a build type that does a lot of damage, but is known for doing less damage to squishies than lethality does.
Salson1 votesAshe is weak tho. She could use a small buff that pushes her to Cait/Jinx level, just not Tristana level of broken.
T4underbolt1 votesAshe is the only balanced ADC. This is how crit should work on every ADC.
Infernape1 votesI'd put Jhin there as well. He's the only marksman bar Graves whose auto attacks have a cooldown. His AA's have a window of power that can be played around.
HaIlMonitor1 votesThe problem with jhin is he is more of an AD caster then he is an ADC. Ashe at least can take down tanks at a reasonable speed. Jhin takes way to long.
Infernape1 votesTrue. Unless they're low and Jhin has his fourth shot ready, he probably isn't going to deal a lot of damage to a tanky target.
koshkyra2 votesoh god those commas trigerred me but yeah varus has been in EVERY game
Salson2 votesThere are a couple of reasons:
He isn't feast or famine A fed Varus is weaker than a fed Twitch/Trist, but a struggling Varus does more than them. Thus he is healthier to both play with and against.
He 'gives back' to his team Imagine you play Darius top and are looking to TP bot to help your team: -Varus will provide: CC, Grievous Wounds, decent damage and will provide those throughout the game. -Twitch will provide decent damage and can carry you in late game. Varus takes his fair share of the 'carrying' and lets others enjoy their shares as well. Twitch wants 4 supports.
His damage isn't free He doesn't burst as hard and has to use spells to really do decent damage, and those are dodgeable. So he is considered fair, as he gives people a chance to outplay him.
He's has a decent skill cap While not Kalista or Draaaven, he is still a lot harder than low skill floor marksman like Twitch, Trist or Kog. This makes him more bearable to 90% of the playerbase. It also adds 'At least my opponent is good' clause, which most hyper-carries lack.
Bisaknosp1 voteshaha i remember when a varus who was even with my lucian (i was lulu support) flashed into us and legit just righclicked us he didnt attack move he just rightclicked once idk if it was my adc who just sucked but he lived through polymorph, exhaust, my ult and locket,killed me and almost killed lucian who survived with >100 hp xDDDD what the fuck he had botrk guinsoos and runaans that was just disgusting tbh
XxDRAGONsAK47xX2 votesHappened to me yesterday lol.
I was twitch with a Lulu support.
Varus legit 2v1ed us and won. IDEK how. It makes no sense. Ulted me, I ulted right back. He was polymorphed, I was ulted by lulu. Lulu and I died.
XxxLumberJackxxX1 votesHappened to me yesterday lol.
I was twitch with a Lulu support.
Varus legit 2v1ed us and won. IDEK how. It makes no sense. Ulted me, I ulted right back. He was polymorphed, I was ulted by lulu. Lulu and I died.
Where was your stealth
XxDRAGONsAK47xX1 votesIt was long gone.
I was trapped in the gay darkin's sights and I wasn't going to live.
Kai, Valmar, and Varus all wanted me dead. It was horrible. I JUST WANTED TO FIND NEW CHEESE!
Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votesLethality is garbage atm.. even without that, varus leth isn't an option anymore
FCJAAAAGOOOO1 votesWell maybe we all like Varus.
Mizaya1 votesTwitch at his strongest is a LOT stronger than Varus, and that's what people tend to remember. Watching a fed Twitch instantly win a teamfight with his ult is a lot more frustrating than anything a fed varus can do.
That said, Varus is by far the stronger ADC generally... his powerspikes are insanely early and strong--I remember almost 1v2ing a full Jarvan and Fiora who weren't necessarily behind with almost 2 items, and I would have killed both had I had my own ulti (they both had theirs). I think he'd be more fair with crit, as he won't be as powerful on 2 items. His ability to synergize with on-hit items is what makes him a top ADC.
AirKingNeo1 votesX A Y A H
I keep repeating this name... pick ban at worlds almost...
Hópe1 votesVarus cant switch to Crit because he needs IE + ER + Zeal item.
If he chooses this path then
He opts for an extremely expensive build, ER and IE are 3400 gold each. And you will need a Zeal item for that to work.
By that time itll be around 27+ minutes and thats when people have armor stocked up. You will then need a lord dom
In essence your Q's wont be doing any damage and will only be there to proc your W passive. Not a good choice
If he chooses lethality then
His autos will do less damage because Lethality build isnt friendly towards attack speed users but Casters, He will only have his Q and because he doesnt build Tear anymore he wont be able to sustain more than a few Qs before needing to recall every few minutes.
Also Duskblade is getting nerfed + in a meta where tabi are extremely common Lethality users arent going to be doing so hot especially after the nerfs.
SooFr0sty1 votesIt's pro play. He has good tools that some other adcs do not.
Isn't 
considered good as well?
