So I just bought Leblanc...

TyrekGoldenspear··1 votes·1,525 views

And I messed around with her in bot games, and I'm liking her.

Maybe its becuase I play immobile stuff so often but dashing around the rift is fun.

So I have a basic idea of her build, rushing morrellos and then other AP items, I think her max order is RWQE.

Only thing I'm not sure about is her comboes.

For clarification I have never played the old leblanc even when she was free, so i have no comboes memoriezed.

So I would like to know common comboes qnd which move is vest empowered by R.

47 Comments

Poske2 votes

RWEQ is the correct max

I dont have time to explain 30 core combos to you figure them out yourself

And Le bl doesnt have AND never had "best combo" They all depend on situations

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

Oh well that's interesting to hear.

Means I can experiment. Thanks for the max order at least.

Michael Sykes1 votes

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Oh well that's interesting to hear.

Means I can experiment. Thanks for the max order at least.

most likely r > w > q > e will be better in the next patch because they buff the shatter orb damage to minions to 120%. Waveclear is just too good.

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

Oh okay. Thanks.

nm10101 votes

Didn't they already clarify that that is just a tool tip update and current leblanc has those numbers already?

Michael Sykes1 votes

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Didn't they already clarify that that is just a tool tip update and current leblanc has those numbers already?

uhm I tested it in a custom game, and the values definitely were not 120% of the damage. Additionally, LeBlanc has a 0.4% scaling on the w, which is actually still 0.6% both on PBE and live. On the PBE the damage to minions was definitely higher.

nm10101 votes

I just tested it and it is definitely 120% of the damage. To clarify the bonus damage is only on passive bounces to the target, so hitting a melee minion with roughly 300 hp the passive should've done 100ish damage with the q doing 74, after procing the q on an adjacent minion the melee had 98 hp left. This is pretty clear that the 74 damage was amplified on it (plus some bonus damage from mpen runes). With mpen factored in the spell with 120% damage on q bounce would do 202 damage which is damn near spot on considering it had slightly over 300 hp.

EcchiOtakuTM1 votes

Even that were the case (which it isn't) you don't need more than rank 1 q to waveclear maxing E is superior.

Aptest2 votes

alt F4 best leblanc combo

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

Not cool dude.

Aptest1 votes

[slayer-jinx-wink]

Shadòw1 votes

with new lb you can play around your with your kit like you want, there is no "best combo" try for example to hit your e, and when your enemy is snared and your passive proc is ready, use your Q and W on him.

but new LeBlanc has 10000 of different combos, finding the right one in the right situation is mastering her.

RWQE is correct max according to probuilds.net

nm10102 votes

I just saw a pro on that site go qewqerqe etc, I don't think it is necessarily the best source until things calm down.

R>W>E>Q seems to be doing the best overall.

https://i.gyazo.com/13de4208a9e2be19fd78417e8077f65f.png

Shadòw2 votes

ye but Faker goes R>W>Q>E

http://www.probuilds.net/guide/show/KR/2632816859/4460427

you shall not question Faker.

Poske2 votes

Faker is trash at LE BL

every faker le bl montage is do-g shiET full of missplays and wrong playing

Granted faker is a great player but he is far from being good at le bl

R>W>E>Q

Shadòw2 votes

well he still is better than you and me combined on that Champ

R>W>Q>E

Poske2 votes

I was top 20 le bl world not so long ago

His le bl is nowhere near mine

Yes it sounds cocky.. but its true

Shadòw1 votes

still Fakers game knowledge is not from this World.

when Fakör does sth it must be right

Michael Sykes1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sub HeroCro,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wE8RxYer,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-11-17T15:37:46.012+0000)

I was top 20 le bl world not so long ago

His le bl is nowhere near mine

Yes it sounds cocky.. but its true

why you don't become a competitive player? lol...

Poske1 votes

I peaked diamond1 70 LP I was about to reach chall but then riot fked up a game on 1 patch

(They fked up the way right click cancels)

after taht patch I was Dia4

Dropped 3 divisions before I realised whats fked up with a code

I managed to reach diamond1 couple of times but never master eh

But not with new Over Powerd (Ill even admit it ) Le bl nothing can stop me

Unless they nerf her before solo/duo comes

Nahui1 votes

I'm hearing the same bronze shit here as I do in bronze posts. "I'm not the rank I deserve cuz riot"

Poske1 votes

I literaly couldnt rank up because they changed a way right click and canceling abilities work on 1 patch

Bassicly I was ulting for no reason with fiddlesticks (Best example I have) and I coudlnt cancel my abilities

Michael Sykes1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sub HeroCro,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wE8RxYer,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2016-11-17T16:27:26.563+0000)

I peaked diamond1 70 LP I was about to reach chall but then riot fked up a game on 1 patch

(They fked up the way right click cancels)

after taht patch I was Dia4

Dropped 3 divisions before I realised whats fked up with a code

I managed to reach diamond1 couple of times but never master eh

But not with new Over Powerd (Ill even admit it ) Le bl nothing can stop me

Unless they nerf her before solo/duo comes

then good luck... But I am still sure you are not better than Faker, especially because of the servers. He performs extremely good in Korea - you are on EUNE

R181 votes

"His lb is nowhere near mine"

Even though Faker is a professional and has a higher Winrate in KOREA CHALLENGER, than this guy in EUNE. EUNE DIAMOND. Quite an ego you have

nm10101 votes

Is that the guy that lost lane to Crown 4 times in 3 favorable match ups? Nah but for real he has 2 games on her and it is pretty straight forward that q goes up by 100 damage, 20 mana increase, and 0 cd decrease. E goes up by 200 damage, no mana cost increase, and has a 3 sec reduced cd.

Shadòw1 votes

her Q is more reliable damage combined with fat waveclear and also lower CD even when E is maxed out, while you need to hit (as it's a skillshot) and stay with your target 1.5 seconds to use the full potential of her E.

Well i think it's all about which playstyle you prefer, but i would take the reliable Damage + waveclear over a better E in Mid Game.

nm10101 votes

The wave clear is tied to your passive, post level 7 1 w plus q kills everything outside of the cannon. As for the reliable damage part your rq is tied to ult rank and is better than the other 2 ults in terms of scaling damage.

Shadòw1 votes

the Q deals 20% bonus Damage to Minions. it spreads to Targets affected by the passive and activates it, but the Q Damage will still be applied on top of the passive which makes her Mid-Game waveclear even better.

The R Damage is fixed anyway, but by maxing Q you have even more reliable Damage which is always good.

But when i look at it there is no real "right" skillorder after R>W>X

when you are confident that you can land your E and stay with your target for the duration, E is probably the better choice.

just saying that i would prefer Q over E

nm10101 votes

20% of 55-155 doesn't exactly make much of a difference, especially when you can insta clear the wave post 7 with rank 1 q as I said.

Combo @ lvl 6 without hitting chain is 485 + 250% ap without thunderlords, ignite, or autos weaved in. Most champs will have at most around 900 hp at that point. As you can see even with 50 ap (50 x 2.5 = 125) you can easily all in someone without chain.

So what do you max if you don't need damage? Probably your utility spell that goes down in cd and doesn't inflate your mana cost. I think the only time q would make sense is if you died in lane and are behind so that you can still clear the minion wave.

Shadòw1 votes

enemies also have MR and 20 Mana don't really make a difference#

more Damage is always a good option

nm10101 votes

1 auto would make up for most of the mr difference that early, let alone the fact I gave almost an extra 40 hp then most mids have to make up for the mr in the calculations.

Funny that these stats exist then

https://i.gyazo.com/edc99308311c4c7dfc82bc1323314bcc.png

Oh and look who just played a game an hour ago

http://www.probuilds.net/guide/show/KR/2634334625/4460427

Like I said, give people time and they will learn.

Nahui1 votes

Is that the guy who holds 3 world champion titles and has every title under his belt possible? Ouch..

nm10101 votes

Anyone who is being honest with themselves knows people are catching up with faker (or as apdo says "Faker's not the absolute best player in the world now, if you looked at him this season he had his low moments").

It is very clear watching the final that he had no other answer for crown's viktor outside of taking it for the favorable cassie match up. Even then if SSG didn't take triple tank with jhin they would probably be champs.

Nahui1 votes

It'd because Faker doesn't pick to win mid lane, he picks to win the game. That's how all players should pick. It's why he has 3 world champions, LCK titles, MSI titles, etc. It's why he's focused into oblivion every game. He picked Orianna for her powerful team wide utility, excelled at just that, and went on to win his 3rd championship.

Not saying Faker is the best anymore, although I still believe that because it is -fact- that Faker has the largest effective champion pool in all of League of Legends, but you have to understand this is a team game. Crown can beat Faker in lane all he wants, Faker and friends destroyed the Nexus 3/5 times and that's all that matters in the end.

nm10101 votes

You know Orianna has the better lane vs viktor right? Faker managed to lose that lead 3 times, not to mention he got solo killed 3 times on top of that. Yes he has synergy with his team, but it was no mistake they lost the 2 games bengi was out. He never hit a big shockwave, he suicide flashed to trade 1 for 1 a few times because he wasn't as important to his team as crown or ruler were to theirs.

Calling things "fact" with absolutely no proof sounds awfully exaggerated. You are aware of who apdo is right? The only person people had previously compared to faker, who openly admitted faker was better a year ago and int'd to get faker the #1 spot in korea, is now saying faker is not the best. I mean you sound as bad as the commentators who kept repeating how good smeb was throughout worlds as he got his butt kicked every other game.

Nahui1 votes

Why exactly does Ori have the better lane? It's a neutral lane in favor of Viktor due to his range. Both have godlike wave clear, Viktor's costs less mana and less spells. Viktor is one of the best mid laners due to how he just shoves the wave, i.e one of the more contested picks at Worlds. Ori simply has better team fighting utility due to her ult.

I'm not saying Faker is flawless. He makes questionable plays. He's far too over aggressive. But he's undeniably the best player on SKT both in shot calling and mechanics along with champion pool. However, you're taking one person's word for everything. Apdo is good, but his word isn't law. He can claim he's better than Faker, sure. He can do it all he wants. I could do it You could do it. Is he better? I don't know. what's better? KDA? KDA isn't league. Objectives taken? That's entirely up to the scenario. The best player isn't a solo queue player. That much is obvious. League of legends is a team game, and the TRUE league of legends is the pro scene. Even if 99.99999% of league is solo queue, that's not the correct league. That's the dumbed down version. League, at its highest potential, where all aspects of the game are utilized to full efficiency, is the pro scene, and unfortunately, there are simply no records of Apdo anywhere.

What is fact? Faker's 3 championship titles at the world's scene. LCK, MSI, etc. I'm not saying in any way that Apdo is bad, however people in the past couple of years have made insulting Faker a meme. It's so easy for keyboard warriors to go "Faker? That guy? Nah man, he's shit" to sound cool. It's simply ignorant. It's gotten to the point where Faker does a built and there's so much criticism going out in the form of "Faker's no longer the best, you shouldn't trust it." Like shit, maybe he's not number 1 anymore. I do agree his performance is not at peak anymore, but it's not like he's silver. He's the starting midlaner for the most dominant team e-Sports has ever scene for 3 years now and holds every title under his belt. There's no room to discredit Faker. He is a god at League. Not that one should blindly follow him, but he still is one of the best and ignoring his playstyle/builds arw a foolhardy thing to do.

nm10101 votes

Seems I should have put a trigger warning on my previous post. I will just respond to the non-rant sentence at the bottom.

I don't ignore his playstyle, I think for myself and figure out what makes sense. Did you notice my link below? Faker played another game today and is maxing e second now. He realized that it made sense while maxing q second did not. In other words he either realized he was wrong or someone told him he was.

You seem to be on this thread more to preach faker's abilities than to actually discuss leblanc's skill max order and I am quite frankly not going to mince words with a clear sheep.

Nahui1 votes

Using the term sheep to simply discredit someone is a poor way to go about it. Using buzzwords maliciously to push a stance and not hard facts/commonalities is simply an immature way to end a discussion.

There's nothing sheep about it. I said Faker has fallen from his earlier glory, I have acknowledged this. In fact, this is more directed to the guy up there. Like yeah, I agree E is better. Has been since she came out, multiple streamers have done it and advocated for it. You shouldn't simply blindly follow someone, even Faker, or Apdo in your case. However, what they do often holds merit to a certain playstyle they have. Just like Faker decided to go attack speed runes and stormraiders on Zed, or at popularize it, but it was a build you could only really pull off if you had the correct playstyle.

Maxing Q is for wave clear. He tried out the conventional leblanc, and then changed it. Now, a little problem with a statement of yours was that last sentence in para 2. On Leblanc especially, there isn't really a -wrong- second skill order. One assassinates, one heavy pushes. I agree E is much better for general Leblanc play, but definitely wouldn't classify Q second as -wrong-.

Overall, using buzzwords might work with the average League player but with anyone that knows half a shit of what they're saying, doesn't quite cut it. But you were right. I was on here, well this thread, to preach his skill, not leblanc. I can flat out say I gave 0 shits about this post. The truth is I like to see what various opinions of SKT members are overall as they are my favorite team for many years now, and I chime in whenever. I do this mostly because of the inferiority complex of League players and how bashing the best is the cool thing to do. Emotional rises are far too easy to get when people think you're a fanboy, because the concept of that just pisses people off.

nm10101 votes

I'm not sure where the term sheep was used incorrectly, you literally came here to defend Faker then started the use of buzzwords by referring to "keyboard warriors" bashing Faker. If that isn't a sheep, I'm not sure what is.

Maxing q isn't even for waveclear, as I said you would already be one shotting the minion line by the time you would start putting additional points in it. You don't get reduced cd, you go up in mana cost, and you lose overall damage by not maxing e.

You really should calm down on the justification for your opinions, nobody is interested in reading a rant.

DrCyanide1 votes

LeBlanc's old go-to combo (Q, R, W/E) no longer exists, so don't worry too much about it.

The thing I'm interested in is clone usage now. You've got a global scouting/fake ganking tool. Think the enemy might be taking Baron? Plop your clone down and find out. Want to know if the enemy jungler is on blue side? Plop your clone down and find out. Enemy bot lane pushed up? Try to get a flash out of them by fake ganking them.

Restless Slumber1 votes

There are no true combos on Leblanc now. She is all about using the right abilities at the right time now. That means that you should focus on kiting people rather than mashing all your buttons to kill someone. But a basic start to fighting people is with your e. Another useful tip is while laning you want to w the backline of minions while the opponent is standing in them. Then you w back, wait for sigil to be available and q one of the minions. It pushes the wave and harasses the enemy, which is something that is a vital skill in mid lane.

Shirvallah1 votes

Fairly certain that the current best skill order is R>Q>W>E due to her new Q's harass and waveclear. Though, this could very well change if she's nerfed.

EcchiOtakuTM1 votes

LB's e is ALWAYS 2nd or 1st max.

You don't need more than rank 1 q to waveclear. E damage is superior.

Catastrop1 votes

RWEQ is actually a really good max order now, your E is more important in your combos as opposed to Q. However like I said, it's really good but it's not a must, RWQE is still fine if you're not landing the E consistently. Her old combos are pretty non-existent so no need to know them, actually you have much more breathing room in terms of comboing now as there really is no "best" one, try stuff out and see what matches your personal kill style.

Also forgot to mention, the best mimiced spell pretty much varies from player to player. Personally, I find RW is the best. The added personal utility of having 2 distortion pads to blink is great for outplays and the damage isn't too shabby. One of my favourite combos is RWWEQ. I only really use it if I can get away with it, like if I know my enemy isn't going to react properly or just too fed to care as normally it's normally pretty risky because of the added delays on snapback.

warpenguin5551 votes

Its actually RWEQ. Her chains hurt so badly now

Papa Slothy1 votes

in lane, i usually w the wave while they are in it and then auto and back out for the passive proc with q

LBmyBB1 votes

In lane, her poking has reversed. Its W in, wait the time then Q. Skirmishing be anything, as long as you land chains.

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