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Non-Junglers doing a camp to get an advantage in lane.

Elyika··4 votes·2,316 views

Since Pre-Season 5 when the new jungle came out players started abusing the jungle to gain advantage in their lane, thus leading into a snowball. This problem has become more apparent in the Top lane but, it also happens bot lane. It wasn't such a problem the seasons 3 & 4 (except for bottom lane taking wight/double golems to get a third of a level advantage).

This really isn't a problem for champions who can solo clear a camp at level one and make it back to lane fast enough. Champions who can't on the other hand are going to be at a **disadvantage** thus losing games, forcing players to play these champions and use this advantage just not to lose lane in the long run. Making top lane **very stale and boring**.

This type of game-play is also **very negative** for the junglers. The Jungle Season 5 is a very unforgiving place. Without the helping hand of the laners, junglers would have a considerable slow clear as well as an unhealthy one (low hp). There has been games where*** both top and bottom lanes didn't want to leash just because of this advantageous play-style***. Leaving the jungler with a very slow clear and fairly behind to the other jungler.

As we all know, Season 5 introduced the new jungle item and their upgrades to the summoner spell smite. Which also included the feature of not being able to buy jungle items without said summoner spell. Which was a brilliant idea, but with the current problems listed above that has gotten me thinking. Why doesn't riot make it so laners can't get gold or experience from the jungle after a certain time amount of time passes from the start of the game to middle of lane phase.

Like they did season 3 & 4 with towers (to stop early sieges and lane swaps) they could give jungle monsters a special buff which prevents people without the jungle item to get gold or exp from the jungle until a certain amount of time has passed from the game.

TL;DW : OP lvl 2 teleport jung thing.

  1. Laners expoliting jungle to get a sneaky level advantage
  2. Make jungle "junglers only. no laners allowed" for the first 5minutes of the game

17 Comments

IcyPepper2 votes

A laner who refuses to leash so they can steal a camp at level 1...

... can watch as their jungler refuses to gank properly so they can steal minions from their lane.

Lore Ventus1 votes

Jungle never ganks my lane anyways and don't throw "you are pushing your wave too much" excuse.

IcyPepper1 votes

If you push your lane past the halfway point, it's harder to gank successfully. That's not an excuse, that's common sense.

But if the lanes are roughly even, then it is an excuse.

A better way to go about it is to win your lane, then steal the enemy jungle camps.

Lore Ventus2 votes

Main reason i started taking wolves early ( i know some ppl will hate me, but jungle doesn't need it since gromp, blue, and red grants a lvl3). Wolves provide a lvl 2 and a bit more than a regular wave would. A little extra xp goes a long way.

IcyPepper1 votes

I suppose, but only if you're the kind of person who will drop a trinket at their opposite buff in case of invades.

Otherwise, junglers like me like smiting wolves and red on my first clear for vision and invasion prevention.

Elyika1 votes

Exactly it kills jungle route diversity for the jungler. Which for the first 3 levels of the game is when the jungler is at his/her weakest. If you mess it you its possible to come back but the jungler is going to have to ignore lanes for a while.

I mean if you get invaded and laner takes a single jungle camp.

IcyPepper1 votes

It also depends on your view on minion tax. If you're the type of laner who will afk if the jungler takes 1 cs after handing you a triple kill, then you should not be taking your jungler's camps...

Elyika1 votes

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Main reason i started taking wolves early ( i know some ppl will hate me, but jungle doesn't need it since gromp, blue, and red grants a lvl3). Wolves provide a lvl 2 and a bit more than a regular wave would. A little extra xp goes a long way.

yes but if youre a decent player who knows how to trade and if you get back before a single minion dies in the first wave you will reach level 6 when they just hit level 4 if the other top laner hasn't done the lvl 1 camp.

you dont wanna see a lvl 6 riven when youre lvl 4 when youre "even" in lane and no one fed her.

DrNova2 votes

I've seen bot ask for a camp, jungler almost always says its cool. I see no problem with it.

Elyika1 votes

yes but some junglers tend to like getting level 4 from 1st clear which is only possible if you kill all 6 camps. stopping the farming play style.

DrNova1 votes

well yeah but like i said i've seen the bot lane ask every time. never personally see someone just take a camp for the hell of it.

SmknWdl1 votes

The only time i have seen this work is with sion suiciding the raptors, then tping top on respawn. I mean it's a bit of an issue but really what is the tradeoff? Pissed of jungler that will only bank 35% of the time you ask them cause they're catching up in farm, or a teamwork jungle who even if you fuck up in lane, they'll be there to save your ass. Lets see... I'm not sure.. -___________________________________________-

Elyika1 votes

ive seen a riven do it and im guilty of myself doing it as riven. you reach lvl 6 b4 they hit lvl 5.

Silents4291 votes

Am I the only person who has never seen this? I have seen my bot lane take those rock things, while I take gromp, but thats not a problem at all.

Don't know how your bot lane is refusing to leash AND taking a camp considering you start at the rocks now instead of red. Unless they are stealing it from you.

Honestly everything you said in this post seems like a stretch and something you might encounter Pre- Level 30 every now and then.

Only Play Darius1 votes

Sometimes if your zoned out of cs, you can ask your jungler if you can have a camp, they understand that giving you the gold is helping you out in your lane.

What sickens me is intentional poaching. Can't tell you how infuriating it is to barely survive the raptor camp, and LeBlanc intentionally steals the last hit on the big raptor. It makes me want to leave the game.

Elyika1 votes

yes but what im talking about here is when there is an already strong top laner who is easy to snowball. they do a lvl 1 camp come back b4 a single minion dies and when you hit lvl 4 they hit lvl 6 n all in you. by the time the jungler can help hes also way too behind to do anything.

Pæan1 votes

It doesn't really matter to me as long as they ask nicely for it. I play junglers that dont really need a leash Shaco Zac Gragas Shen Elise just to name a few. As long as they can use that small boost to snowball their lane, awesome! That's one less lane I'll have to worry about helping out every 3 minutes.

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