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How dynamic queue can be fixed.

Blast Me Daddy··30 votes·1,678 views

Riot has made a major fuck up with dynamic queue, it's obvious, but it can definitely be changed into something that would work with the community. Dynamic queue was hyped up preseason, but it was such a mistake because the amount of people getting carried to ranks they don't deserve it is unreal. I know many people who have bought elo boosts because they are basically legal now with dynamic queue.

First off I think they could fix dynamic queue by making it trio queue MAX. The reason is because the 3 man queue isn't as bad as 4-5 mans trio queue allows for coordination with friends and still need to communicate with other people in the game. Limit it to one duo/trio per game to keep it balanced properly and to keep it less toxic. The trio queue is fine in my opinion because they still allow for people to communicate with other people that they don't know. Please don't just limit this to D5+ because then it is completely unfair, just make it 3 for every rank. It should be called Solo/Duo/Trio or something else to make it look nicer.

4 man queues need to go ASAP, it doesn't provide anything good you know almost everyone and very little communication goes on in those games and usually ends up being a complete stomp if they enemy doesn't have a 4 man. Put your foot in the solo player's shoes, if he makes one single mistake he will most likely get flamed and blamed the entire game. There is absolutely nothing more annoying than going against a 4 man queue as just a bunch of solo players it is super annoying and doesn't feel 50/50 AT ALL.

5 man queues should be known as Ranked 5's once again. Make it so that that it is it's own tier in terms of ranked. There are many people who are disappointed that there is no Ranked 5's and you are just going into "Dynamic Queue" for it and have almost a 40% chance to just go against solos and it is super unfair for the solo's to go against such a coordinated team. 5's were fine how they were before and so was the old ranked system, but I see what they tried to do and they fucked up very hard there is no excuse, but I think these changes can help it out a little bit.

Keep in mind riot wanted to find a way where you and your friends can all play together, but it really didn't work out properly and I feel like this way can help it out with the trio queue being to play with more friends and having 5 man's for full party people. 4 mans really unbalance the setup of the ranked structure. Keep in mind that this is my opinion, others will disagree, but don't leave hate comments for no reason.

Thanks :)

23 Comments

Flaherty4 votes

Just because people are in a group of 4 doesn't mean they'll be assholes to the other player. In my experience 3 and 4 mans hardly say anything and it's when I'm in a group of just solo players that people are the most toxic.

Karn Bishop6 votes

which is a problem in and of itself, being ignored is never fun either and can in some cases be a form of toxicity.

Slythion5 votes

I have never been in a game where I get downright ignored (including champ select) until this season...where it seems like it's at least once a day unless I'm in my own premade

Flaherty2 votes

So is it toxic to mute someone who is flaming you? You're ignoring that player in that example. I would rather people say nothing at all instead of negative things.

69982196_DEL2 votes

Unless you do something wrong, the game is lost or they do something wrong. Then you get hell.

Flaherty2 votes

Not necessarily, I have been part of 4 mans and have been the odd man out in a ranked game and I know my friends never get hostile unless the odd person out starts flaming us and blaming our group for everything just because we're a group. That hostility goes both ways.

Karn Bishop1 votes

Sigh, how noble of them for not getting mad at someone until they get mad at your team and they probably got mad in the first place because nobody listened to him so he/she was talking to a brick wall in effect.

Flaherty1 votes

I would try to keep arguing with you but you seem like the kind of person that no matter what is said will keep on having their shitty opinion, so why bother

Karn Bishop1 votes

Well maybe if the majority of your arguments did not start off by ignoring basic proven psychology for humans in groups i might listen to you, and its not just this you tend to twist all of your facts and ignore the pain caused to solo players by accusing them of "being salty wusses/babies" and when people get passionate about something important sometimes coming off like that is a side effect, heck I am sure plenty of people scoffed and laughed at those salty colored guys for wanting to use the same toilet as non colored people.

And no i am not comparing human suffering to a game in the literal sense and i know that is how you will interpret it.

Karn Bishop3 votes

This still will not fix the competitive rankings for players at any skill level simply because this will not stop or slow down boosting people with smurf accounts, what they should do is make dynamic into the default normal option and remove the other now redundant normals modes then add true solo Queue back to restore competition.

alternatively bring back solo queue and scrap dynamic then build a true ranked 5 team system from the corpse of the dynamic system by adding the ability to hot search for temporary members to join into your ranked team and if after the match they are a good fit you could even promote them to permanent members or they can go their separate ways to look for other teams if it does not work out. The old pain restrictions on 5 man teams such as having a low max team roster or limited ranked team invites would also be removed and playing games in the queue would net you unique ranked 5 only end season rewards along with lesser awards for matches played.

Blast Me Daddy1 votes

I would love to have the old queue back as many would, but riot themselves have stated they won't bring it back so I feel this is as close as we can get to still achieve, yes there will still be boosters for smurfs and stuff, but it will be harder to carry with just 2 people rather than 4 because they can just make the guy who is getting boosted go support and make the other smurfs go carry roles. It will not get rid of it it would make it harder for sure.

I really do want solo queue coming back it was my favorite, but I really don't see Riot bring it back to be completely honest.

Karn Bishop3 votes

Well riot states many things very few of which mean what they actually mean.

Hyrum Graff2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Karn Bishop,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=w8csLZ8g,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-06-06T03:39:38.807+0000)

This still will not fix the competitive rankings for players at any skill level simply because this will not stop or slow down boosting people with smurf accounts, what they should do is make dynamic into the default normal option and remove the other now redundant normals modes then add true solo Queue back to restore competition.

alternatively bring back solo queue and scrap dynamic then build a true ranked 5 team system from the corpse of the dynamic system by adding the ability to hot search for temporary members to join into your ranked team and if after the match they are a good fit you could even promote them to permanent members or they can go their separate ways to look for other teams if it does not work out. The old pain restrictions on 5 man teams such as having a low max team roster or limited ranked team invites would also be removed and playing games in the queue would net you unique ranked 5 only end season rewards along with lesser awards for matches played.

You're on to something here. The solution you want is club ranked. Look for the post tomorrow.

Steven Mcburn2 votes

So basically instead of ranked normal queue, you want to replace it with solo/duo/trio queue which completely defeats what riot is trying to do.

It's cool, you're trying to bandaid their broken stuff, but at that point you might as well just go back to what works and change original normal queue to "normal queue+ (DQ)" and give dudes rewards for playing normals; instead of making a ranked normal ladder and removing the original ranked ladder that built up their game and esport franchise.

Blast Me Daddy1 votes

The purpose for dynamic queue was to play ranked and climb with friends and not be restricted, but it was abused way to much and people are in ranks they don't belong in because of being carried.

They said it themselves they won't go back to solo queue so this is the only way we can get them to fix there shit, no one will stop playing ranked to send a message because normal's can get very boring and feel like you don't get anything for the competitive players. It is unfair how you're restricted higher up because if someone goes from silver to plat with 5 people they can't climb like they used.

So just keep trio for all ranks and bring back 5's.

Tegretol XR2 votes

So who cares if someone gets carried? I also think that is stupid, but if people want to do it, they certainly can. This new system is awesome.

LatetotheRace1 votes

What? If a professional sports team (football, soccer, tennis, etc) has a terrible player, they drop them from the team. BECAUSE (and this is a big because) They are playing a competitive game in which they are trying to obtain the best possible rank. Carrying in this case is different because of easy $$$. If you're being carried by others repeatedly and intentionally, by all means tell me so you can be punished for breaking the rules. :D

YJRBqwXJcS2 votes

or, they get rid of dynamic queue. bring back solo queue and ranked 5s, keep the new champion select.

and everything is fixed.

LostFr0st1 votes

Ranked 5s was flawed back then too. You'd end up playing vs the same team pretty often once you got past high silver in 5s. They need a club or a chat room or something so people can more easily find that 5th member.

69982196_DEL1 votes

Dude, I can't agree with you, i don't think your ideas could fix DQ. Besides damage is done, Riot already said no, and above everything they are committing suicide. Their current focus is to fix high elo, that means that solos won't get addressed for several months while solos constitute the most pissed group of players, so things aren't getting better any time soon. The sensitive point here is that between leaving the game and starting to play in premades there are less and less solo players each day. How is this suicide? Well, Q times will skyrocket, especially for 4 men premades. New champ select and premades present negative synergy and without solos to fill the gaps matchmakings will only get worse. It's funny how the system basically tries to get rid of solos but yet depends heavily on them. Oh, and on an ideal world were DQ succeed players will only get T5s but with a crappier ranking.

Troll for Trump1 votes

3 man queue is still annoying; Premade should NOT be the majority in any case.

Just bring it back to the old system, before DynaQ was even there.

Each team can only have, at max, one two-man premade. This would probably lead to longer queue times, which would discourage premade boosting, but also make it less fun for those who.... find greater pleasure in playing with a friend during ranked. But still, it could be a "consequence" of the increase of communication and other advantages being in a premade offers.

Team builder vs new champ select; seperate issues, but both still have the cons of fill being equal to support, and, in general, a lack of support players compared to carry roles.

Ranked 5v5s yes.

Tribbles Foxfolk1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Blast Me Daddy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=w8csLZ8g,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-06-06T03:15:15.177+0000)

Riot has made a major fuck up with dynamic queue, it's obvious, but it can definitely be changed into something that would work with the community. Dynamic queue was hyped up preseason, but it was such a mistake because the amount of people getting carried to ranks they don't deserve it is unreal. I know many people who have bought elo boosts because they are basically legal now with dynamic queue.

First off I think they could fix dynamic queue by making it trio queue MAX. The reason is because the 3 man queue isn't as bad as 4-5 mans trio queue allows for coordination with friends and still need to communicate with other people in the game. Limit it to one duo/trio per game to keep it balanced properly and to keep it less toxic. The trio queue is fine in my opinion because they still allow for people to communicate with other people that they don't know. Please don't just limit this to D5+ because then it is completely unfair, just make it 3 for every rank. It should be called Solo/Duo/Trio or something else to make it look nicer.

4 man queues need to go ASAP, it doesn't provide anything good you know almost everyone and very little communication goes on in those games and usually ends up being a complete stomp if they enemy doesn't have a 4 man. Put your foot in the solo player's shoes, if he makes one single mistake he will most likely get flamed and blamed the entire game. There is absolutely nothing more annoying than going against a 4 man queue as just a bunch of solo players it is super annoying and doesn't feel 50/50 AT ALL.

5 man queues should be known as Ranked 5's once again. Make it so that that it is it's own tier in terms of ranked. There are many people who are disappointed that there is no Ranked 5's and you are just going into "Dynamic Queue" for it and have almost a 40% chance to just go against solos and it is super unfair for the solo's to go against such a coordinated team. 5's were fine how they were before and so was the old ranked system, but I see what they tried to do and they fucked up very hard there is no excuse, but I think these changes can help it out a little bit.

Keep in mind riot wanted to find a way where you and your friends can all play together, but it really didn't work out properly and I feel like this way can help it out with the trio queue being to play with more friends and having 5 man's for full party people. 4 mans really unbalance the setup of the ranked structure. Keep in mind that this is my opinion, others will disagree, but don't leave hate comments for no reason.

Thanks :)

So, essentially, you want it to be like Dota 2's matchmaking system. Fine by me, considering it's vastly superior to LoL's current system.

Secretlolz1 votes

i know the perfect solution: remove it and give us back soloq

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