Zed's atk spd nerf in patch 5.2 hurt his splitpushing a bit, but I think it pushed him in the right direction, however, don't forget that Zed's passive is based off a basic attack. Because of this I would like to suggest a short atk spd bonus when basic attacking a champion below 50% hp. This atk spd bonus would only be avaliable if basic attacking a champion that is below 50% hp and can proc his passive. It would also only last for that one basic attack.
DoraTheBrown5 votesno zed buff ok u smoking weed
Romans VI XXIII4 votes"Zed's atk spd nerf in patch 5.2 hurt his splitpushing a bit"
You are kidding right? I wouldn't even call that a nerf. All this was was a slap in the face to us players, ZED needs a nerf to his wave clear VERY BADLY, and if you have ever played zed and u are AAing to wave clear you are an playing COMPLETELY wrong. W-Q-E clears the the mage minions with the melees having 1 AA left. so slightly reducing his AA speed DID ABSOLUTLY NOTHING. He had MAGE lvl wave clear, and needs to have it NERFED HARD. As in like Q/E do reduced damage to minions.
I have been playing Zed alot lately, and it is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO easy to just sit back in lane SPAM Q to farm or harrase, (as my energy re-gens just as fast as i can spam it) and occasionally go W-Q-E to harrase/push lane then once I hit 6 ult them and I snowball from there. Do i need to wave clear real fast? no problem W-Q-E kills every mage minion, and leaves the melees with 1 AA. so i can either AA them all or i can wait for my PATHETICALLY low CD on Q/E and kill them again with out even AAing. Not to mention I use ENERGY so i can do this ALL DAY LONG with out even a thought or consideration about my energy consumption.
So please, don't honor us with your presence stating that this has at all hurt Zed, cause it has NOT.
Kuroi861 votesHe had MAGE lvl wave clear
Lol, not til mid, late game.
I wouldn't even call that a nerf.
It was a minor tap to his split pushing ability, but it no where near covers what he needs, also it did a little to his dueling ability.
As in like Q/E do reduced damage to minions.
That is what I'm expecting, that or have it's damage reduced with bonus damage against champions.
easy to just sit back in lane SPAM Q to farm or harrase, (as my energy re-gens just as fast as i can spam it)
Then you're hitting your shadowed abilities, otherwise hitting Q every time it's off cooldown will run you out of energy in a hurry.
Not to mention I use ENERGY so i can do this ALL DAY LONG with out even a thought or consideration about my energy consumption.
Actually Zed is one of the energy champions who is in a good spot with his energy consumption and return, if you're not giving any thought, then either you've already got his energy return mastered or you're bsing. :P
Romans VI XXIII3 votesHe had MAGE lvl wave clear
Lol, not til mid, late game.
just like a mage? who have shitty wave clear early game (cause they go OOM after a few waves) and clear waves faster than you can blink mid/late game. So why does an assassin clear just as fast as a mage? the only difference is Zed can spam his skills in the early game to clear, BECAUSE he uses energy and it will be back in a matter of seconds, and clear just as fast, if not faster than most mages in the mid/late game.
easy to just sit back in lane SPAM Q to farm or harrase, (as my energy re-gens just as fast as i can spam it)
Then you're hitting your shadowed abilities, otherwise hitting Q every time it's off cooldown will run you out of energy in a hurry.
Q has CD of 6 seconds at lvl 1 and it costs 75 energy. He gains 10 Energy a second. I'm sure u can do the math but here it is any way.
200 - 75 = 125
125 + (6*10) = 185
so every 6 seconds u lose 15 energy
200/15 = 13.3333333
So you can cast Q at lvl 1 13 times before running out of energy.
This is at lvl 1. every rank into all of his abilities reduce the amount of energy it cost (sept E but it starts low any ways). As you can see at lvl 1 you can spam Q every time it comes up and not be out of energy untill you have cast it 13 times. Name 1 mage who can cast a spell at lvl 1 13 times and not go OOM or OOE? AND the zed player can fix this problem by just casting Q every 7.5 seconds instead of every 6 seconds. Meaning that you can LITERALLY spam Q every 7.5 seconds until the end of the earth.
Kuroi861 votesSo why does an assassin clear just as fast as a mage? the only difference is Zed can spam his skills in the early game to clear, BECAUSE he uses energy and it will be back in a matter of seconds, and clear just as fast, if not faster than most mages in the mid/late game.
Zed spamming his abilities early on won't clear the wave, it will speed it up a little, but it won't clear it, and it opens him up for easy harass from his lane opponent.
easy to just sit back in lane SPAM Q to farm or harrase, (as my energy re-gens just as fast as i can spam it)
If you only spam Q for harass, your lane opponent is an idiot, there is no two ways about this. Harassing an opponent includes dropping W in the minion wave, throwing Q to try to hit the opponent and hitting minions with both E if possible to get some energy return back. Q spam is a pathetic excuse to claim Zed is overpowered given it only has a 900 range which most skill shot champs also have. Heck having played Zed I question if it's actually 900 range, it doesn't feel near that if you've ever played him.
Romans VI XXIII4 votesZed spamming his abilities early on won't clear the wave, it will speed it up a little, but it won't clear it, and it opens him up for easy harass from his lane opponent.
Just like any MAGE?!?!?!?! Like what I said!
just like a mage? who have shitty wave clear early game (cause they go OOM after a few waves) and clear waves faster than you can blink mid/late game. So why does an assassin clear just as fast as a mage? the only difference is Zed can spam his skills in the early game to clear, BECAUSE he uses energy and it will be back in a matter of seconds, and clear just as fast, if not faster than most mages in the mid/late game.
It might help if you read all of it not just parts u wanna hear. And just like any mage if they use ther abilities for clearing they are open to harassment. The DIFFERENCE is zeds abilities are low cd cheap abilites that has to wait a MINIMUM of 16.5 seconds before he can use his ENTIRE combo again if he is completely out of energy. know how may spells can a MAGE cast if he goes OOM and then waits 16.5 seconds?
Hmmm average 3 MP a sec at lvl 3 3*16.5 = 49.5 And im sure the average spell for mages cost more than 50 MP. so they CANT EVEN CAST 1 SPELL in the time zed can go OOE and cast his INTIRE COMBO. seems fair to me.
Q spam is a pathetic excuse to claim Zed is overpowered given it only has a 900 range which most skill shot champs also have.
So let me get this strait. Zed can cast his Q and infinite amount of times with out ever going OOE (like i explained above) and a Mage can cast there spells a finite amount of times. So in a lane. both have 900 range (like you said) who wins? 900 range at infinity or 900 range at finite?
Kuroi861 votesIt might help if you read all of it not just parts u wanna hear.
I'll start when you start, like the part where I agreed that we should expect his wave clear to take another hit in the near future.
Mages are supposed to be mid game champs, assassins early game champs.
Comparing them will never look good for the mage because they are not meant to have the same strength at the same time as an assassin. They have to completely different intents!
Romans VI XXIII3 votesMages are supposed to be mid game champs, assassins early game champs.
Comparing them will never look good for the mage because they are not meant to have the same strength at the same time as an assassin. They have to completely different intents!
OMFG THAT IS THE PONT, SO WHEN AN ASSASSIN CAN CLEAR FASTER THAN A MAGE mid/late GAME THEN SOMETHING IS WRONG!!!!!
Kuroi861 votes
Will never wave clear as fast as 
The best wave clears among assassins are and 
is some funky mage/assassin hybrid and really hard to figure out.
can clear out the back line of a minion wave in one spell rotation late game, but still has to AA the melee and seige minion. This I expect will be changed though as even after the AS nerf it's still possible and needs a slight toning down.
Now compare this to mages late game who drop one or two spells and the wave is gone.
Romans VI XXIII2 votesNow compare this to mages late game who drop one or two spells and the wave is gone.
sadly none of the mages you listed can clear ALL the minions with 1 spell. 2 yes. Sept Eggnivia because of her ult. But you are missing the point. Mages are supposed to be known for their wave clear and AoE damage (typically). And assassins for there single target blowing up power. Zed can do both. He can wave clear just as fast or faster than all of the mages you just listed. AND he has insane BLOWING UP abilities, AND he is one of the most mobile champions. AND he never goes OOE. He has the best of both worlds. with no down side at all. He has WAAAAY to much going for him, very poor counter play, and insane snowballing.
Its not a matter of how many spells it takes to clear the wave. The point is he can clear it faster than most the mages you listed, and almost all other mages.
For example.
Vieg: If he is wave clearing he has 1 and only 1 AoE ability to do it with. This ability CAN not hit all the minions. in VERY rare cases does this actually happen. There for he has to wait for it to come off CD witch it has a long cd. think 8+ seconds at max rank. Slower than Zed
Vlad: same case as vieg, has only 1 decent wave clearing ability (unless he wants to waste his W which has a VERY long CD and could kill him if he gets sneaked attacked) SLower than Zed
Vel: has good wave clear, clearing pretty fast if he has 2 stacks of his W (i think its his W) Just as fast as Zed
Ziggs: again good wave clear but the main source of it is his Q, which he has to cast atleast 2 times to clear the entire wave, some times more if he cant 1 shot the melees. Just as Fast as Zed (some times slower)
Eggnivia: Very good wave clear (the only one on the list that can do it in 1 spell) Just as Fast as zed
Xerath: Very good wave clear. but again has to at least use 2 spells. Both have 6+ second CDs Just as fast as zed
Zed: W-Q-E clears the entire wave late game. Just as fast if not faster than some of the mages. An assassin should not be able to do this. Not to mention that all his spells have very low CDs at max rank.
Kuroi861 votesActually, with Veigar I've managed to get the whole wave clumped on top of itself with Event Horizon and one shot the whole wave with Dark Matter. It's a late game thing, but I've done it.
Vlad, depends on if you have your Tides of Blood stacked, if you do, then you can one shot the back line and kill the front line with one auto each.
With Zed, using W is meh, you don't get that much extra damage from the mimicked Q and none from mimicked E. Typically you can expect to see Zed have to auto the melee and seige minions, but with the AS nerf building Zed as more of a duelist is a much worse idea and it opens the way for more AD oriented builds, which might change things. This of course opens the door for more tweaking of his abilities. I expect to see his Q or E get some tweaking in the next few patches anyways to again slow his split pushing some. Either reduced damage on minions, or reduced damage all around with enhanced damage on champions.
Kuroi862 votesThis effect can only occur on the same target once every few seconds.
#1 reason why an AS bonus would be pointless on Zed's passive. This would merely band aid his dueling ability and split pushing which were nerfed on purpose.
balbraaksel1 votesNo.
EndGamer111 votesHis passive does, in fact, not use attack speed. It is only on one attack, therefore any additional speed is useless.
JLau1 votesAre you being sarcastic? lol
