A Message to Supports who Don't Buy Sightstone

TyrekGoldenspear·Dec 5, 2016·21 votes·2,347 views

Tired of getting four-man ganked?

Ward.

That way when you get ganked the toplaner can come to even the odds.

Also use this to make sure that the enemy toplaner can't follow.

EDIT: This wasn't clear in the original version, but I am not telling you to rush it first item, that is usually not the best decsision.

I didn't write this post to seem uptight about rushing sightstone first, use your judgement to determine when you should buy it, but please try to get it sometime, even after laning, because deep wards in the enemy jungle can really help with vision. If you're winning lane, a sightstone will help to avoid the inevitable gank with your overextension.

60 Comments

xBushxDec 5, 201612 votes

" to make sure that the enemy toplaner can't follow."

Lul cause minions don't exist. Also ward will NOT stop a 4 man dive EVER.

TheHappyReaperzDec 5, 201612 votes

It may not stop it, but at least you'll know its coming, instead of running around like a chicken with its head cut off.

TyrekGoldenspearDec 5, 20163 votes

^^^

SilverjustDec 5, 20163 votes

In my elo it doesnt help much when you get 4-man-ganked, becaus your team normaly doesnt help you. But its still very usefull against ganks and roams.

Elite4RunnerDec 5, 20167 votes

While it is certainly "the meta" for supports to buy sightstone, and I would encourage them to do so, it is not exsclusively their job to do so.

So I think you should consider adjusting your thinking to ..

If ANYONE is tired of getting 4 man ganked (including the ADC), maybe they should consider buying a sightstone.

RalanrDec 5, 20168 votes

Expect ADCs to build sightstone? Nah, they need to build the damages.

Elite4RunnerDec 5, 20163 votes

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Expect ADCs to build sightstone? Nah, they need to build the damages.

It will be a lot easier for them to "build the damages" if they man up and buy a sightstone themselves so that they can avoid getting ganked, instead of crying about their support not buying one.

I'm not saying the support shouldn't, but don't rely on someone who is proving to be unreliable.

Deep Terror NamiDec 5, 20165 votes

The ADC is going to lose to the enemy ADC for that and they won't need to gank him!

Elite4RunnerDec 5, 20164 votes

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The ADC is going to lose to the enemy ADC for that and they won't need to gank him!

They are going to lose for playing too far forward without vision because they WILL get ganked.

So they have already lost.

I'd rather be behind on damage than die again, and again, and again.

At least then I can not be accused of feeding.

And the OP says "if you're tired of getting 4 man ganked" implying that you have already been ganked, so you are already behind and you're looking for a way to stop it.

If the support is already working on a signtstone, then you can stall, but if they don't have one and you are still playing far enough forward without vision, that is your own fault. If they are not even attempting to get a sightstone, crying about it to them is not likely going to change their mind. Get one yourself or get some lube.

TyrekGoldenspearDec 5, 20165 votes

I'm implying that you've been ganked in previous games. So now you should ward more often in newer games so it doesn't happen as often.

Elite4RunnerDec 5, 20163 votes

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I'm implying that you've been ganked in previous games. So now you should ward more often in newer games so it doesn't happen as often.

I can agree with that, but that is really more a part of the learning process.

My point is just that if you are playing solo que, don't rely on the support to do it. If you are worried that you will get ganked because your support is not warding, .. consider getting some for yourself.

Deep Terror NamiDec 5, 20162 votes

You don't teach them to build a Sightstone. Teach them to use the Trinket wards and Control ward, to not overextend without vision, and to pay attention to where the enemy jungler is.

TyrekGoldenspearDec 5, 20162 votes

I play the support. :)

I suck at ADC. XD

I'm giving advice based on stuff I already do. Can't tell you how much enemy time I wasted by warding and seeing their ganks way ahead of time.

DepressedAhriDec 6, 20161 votes

And this is a very valid point, your means of providing it sounded like nonsense at first, though.

SkiasDec 6, 20161 votes

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I'm implying that you've been ganked in previous games. So now you should ward more often in newer games so it doesn't happen as often.

My favorite is when they walk over your ward with 4 people, dive the turret and kill you both anyways.

Deep Terror NamiDec 5, 20165 votes

Trinkets are pretty sufficient for early game avoiding ganks.

DepressedAhriDec 6, 20161 votes

If you get four man dove... meaning they kill you under your turret... you don't necessarily have to be playing forward to do this. You can be turret hugging and wave clearing and get dove. That's why it's a turret dive, you're diving under the turret, not under Nami's wave.

Sun Wu RyuumokuDec 5, 20161 votes

So who's job ?? Top can't buy it, its already snowbally enough... ADC... lel Jungle... no need, have already it, if need with green smite. Mid... need item for clear wave and roam

Elite4RunnerDec 6, 20161 votes

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So who's job ?? Top can't buy it, its already snowbally enough... ADC... lel Jungle... no need, have already it, if need with green smite. Mid... need item for clear wave and roam

Who's job?

Well I think that most people agree that it is the support's job, but the situation preludes that the support is not doing their job.

The question is, is it in the best interest of the ADC to then invest in vision.

The definite answer is yes. They should absolutely buy control wards, but if absolutely necessary, investing in additional vision would be better than consistently dying.

DepressedAhriDec 6, 20161 votes

I like running blue smite and getting a ruby sightstone as jungle. But I play bruiser junglers normally, so the hp is nice and the slow from blue smite makes me sticky.

Sun Wu RyuumokuDec 6, 20161 votes

Yeah... there no role where u shouldn't buy item 2055

OglafDec 5, 20167 votes

Players complaining about the lack of Warding?

Pick up a item 2055 and help me help you.

TyrekGoldenspearDec 5, 20166 votes

Ikr?

I usually pick up 2 when I leave base as mid. So when the first gets cleared, just pop down another.

OglafDec 5, 20162 votes

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Ikr?

I usually pick up 2 when I leave base as mid. So when the first gets cleared, just pop down another.

75 Gold is nothing in comparison to giving your enemy kill gold and having to walk back from Fountain.

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Maximum MordeDec 5, 20165 votes

Bitch pls, when I see mid and jg not on my map I just assume they are headed down here for a gangbang so I recall and leave the adc with 0 map awareness to die.

RequiemsfireDec 5, 20165 votes

To players who don't buy control wards

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZXsQAXx_ao0/maxresdefault.jpg

RozairDec 5, 20165 votes

Support main who doesn't buy a sightstone here. If you think that ita a supports job to ward you are nuts. First off everyone can ward and they don't know how. You don't know how many times I see adcs place 1 or 2 wards a game only after being yelled at a million times for it. Second buying wards is really only good for the early to mid game because late game everyone can have 2 wards on the map at a time. Third junglers can also ward as they can get a free sightstone tacked onto their jungle item which is way more useful than the other 2 options.

Fourth any theist frustrating of all is that 99% of supports don't have enough gold to buy anything. So many times I see games finish and the support has a sightstone boots and maybe one other item. Personally I use gold per 5 runes every single time I support because there are other support items than a sightstone.

Death is the best cc and if you can make your adc survive to get a double or tripple kill from an enemy gank gone wrong then that is 90% more useful than wards. Ap on ranged supports is a must and most supports don't realize how impactful strong shields and a little more damage is.

BIackfoxDec 5, 20162 votes

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Support main who doesn't buy a sightstone here. If you think that ita a supports job to ward you are nuts. First off everyone can ward and they don't know how. You don't know how many times I see adcs place 1 or 2 wards a game only after being yelled at a million times for it. Second buying wards is really only good for the early to mid game because late game everyone can have 2 wards on the map at a time. Third junglers can also ward as they can get a free sightstone tacked onto their jungle item which is way more useful than the other 2 options.

Fourth any theist frustrating of all is that 99% of supports don't have enough gold to buy anything. So many times I see games finish and the support has a sightstone boots and maybe one other item. Personally I use gold per 5 runes every single time I support because there are other support items than a sightstone.

Death is the best cc and if you can make your adc survive to get a double or tripple kill from an enemy gank gone wrong then that is 90% more useful than wards. Ap on ranged supports is a must and most supports don't realize how impactful strong shields and a little more damage is.

How do you main support and not buy a ss? Unless you are in bronze where ss don't exist

RozairDec 5, 20161 votes

Actually I'm in plat

Atreus JonesDec 5, 20163 votes

Sightstones don't have to be a permanent item for an adc, not only does it give them some more health, while more vision.

If the adc and the support get them, vision is wider

OglafDec 5, 20163 votes

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Sightstones don't have to be a permanent item for an adc, not only does it give them some more health, while more vision.

If the adc and the support get them, vision is wider

As long as the ADC is on top of his game when it comes to his Trinket Ward + purchasing the occasional item 2055 , they don't really need Sightstone.

ReapstarrDec 5, 20163 votes

Message to my 4 teammates that all pick AD champs then complain that I didn't buy a sightstone: I'm the AP carry now. One of you get a sightstone.

TyrekGoldenspearDec 5, 20162 votes

Lol the enemy team picked almost full AD once.

I was a happy Taric.

OurLestradeDec 5, 20161 votes

Help me with pinks

TyrekGoldenspearDec 5, 20161 votes

Not only will I help you out with item 2055 ,

I'll also use all my item 3340 charges.

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

OurLestradeDec 5, 20161 votes

My kind of guy!

Tribbles FoxfolkDec 5, 20161 votes

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Tired of getting four-man ganked?

Ward.

That way when you get ganked the toplaner can come to even the odds.

Also use this to make sure that the enemy toplaner can't follow.

Message to you bitchy "primary laners":

Tired of getting ganked at all?

Ward.

2 Yellow Wards for free every couple minutes. If you actually used it ever, supports wouldn't need Sightstone.

By extension, if you people USED VISION EVER (vast majority of people <Plat don't), then Sightstone wouldn't be such a shit-tier item. But, since you refuse to nut up and contribute, you want something to blame since it can't be YOUR fault that you died 5 times toplane, right? Must be that shitty support's fault for getting the ADC mega-fed! 9x report!

Seriously, you jackasses are awful if you think Sightstone is a good item, lol. The only reason it's being bought is because it has 3 wards instead of 2. The second Riot nerfs it to 2 (which they probably will), it will be bought by NOBODY. And I'll be a very happy support main when Sightstone is finally dumpstered even further to unusability. (Seriously, it was fine at 4 wards, it was actually worth the money.)

TyrekGoldenspearDec 5, 20161 votes

Well that escalated quickly.

Did you see my posts below?

I play support as well, and I ward no matter what role I play.

I don't demand from people what I'm not willing to do myself.

Tribbles FoxfolkDec 5, 20161 votes

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Well that escalated quickly.

Did you see my posts below?

I play support as well, and I ward no matter what role I play.

I don't demand from people what I'm not willing to do myself.

Yes, it escalated quickly because I'm sick of being told every single game to get a Sightstone when the item is so ridiculously mediocre that I'd rather invest in an Ohmwrecker. (Not even joking.) At least with an Ohmwrecker, I got a decent build path, some OK stats, and an active that can help during a split-push or zerg-rush.

People really need to let Sightstone go. The only reason it hasn't faded into obscurity at this point is because pros still use it since they take advantage of the vision.

TyrekGoldenspearDec 5, 20161 votes

Hmm. An Ohmwrecker would be nice for a towerdive...

As for your concerns, I'm really sorry you get paired with crappy teamates that make you do all the warding.

I still stand by my previous assertion that vision wins ganes. However...

If you have teammates who won't use the vision you gave them effectively, then...

You may want to pick up that NLR. ;)

Tribbles FoxfolkDec 5, 20161 votes

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Hmm. An Ohmwrecker would be nice for a towerdive...

As for your concerns, I'm really sorry you get paired with crappy teamates that make you do all the warding.

I still stand by my previous assertion that vision wins ganes. However...

If you have teammates who won't use the vision you gave them effectively, then...

You may want to pick up that NLR. ;)

Ugh, sorry for being so angry, I've pent up a lot of anger from #JustSilverTeammates BS for 3 Seasons straight. :/

Yeah, I just rush a useful item (if nothing else, a Kindlegem) since most people spend anywhere between 1/4 to 1/2 of the game on 2 Yellow Wards for their trinket. I build all the other support items (i.e.: FQC, Ardent Censer, Mikael's, etc), but I just absolutely refuse to build Sightstone due to how lackluster the actual item is. What's funny is that the jungler is usually one of the first to whine about a lack of wards (in my experience, anyway), even though he refuses to build the green smite that gives him a Sightstone, Smite buff, AND can be upgraded to give great stats. (All 4 jungle items are really good, just depends on the champ)

I think if people used their trinkets a bit more often than they actually do, Sightstone would become largely irrelevant.

TyrekGoldenspearDec 5, 20161 votes

Don't worry, I totally understand, I'm silver too. ;) I have had my fair share of teammates who make questionable decisions.

My personal dream is for every laner to help light up the map.

Out of curiosity, who do you take support? My guess is some kind of tank support, as you rush Kindlegem sometimes?

Tribbles FoxfolkDec 5, 20161 votes

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Don't worry, I totally understand, I'm silver too. ;) I have had my fair share of teammates who make questionable decisions.

My personal dream is for every laner to help light up the map.

Out of curiosity, who do you take support? My guess is some kind of tank support, as you rush Kindlegem sometimes?

Actually, I main Mage supports, I just referred to Kindlegem since it was an 800g item that's a component and still superior to Sightstone :/

Favorite rush item: Sheen, beyond a doubt. I love Sheen. It's just a classic item that's great for my favorite champion; Sona.

ZT XperimentorDec 5, 20161 votes

A ward isn't going to stop said 4 man gank from diving your tower.

TheHappyReaperzDec 5, 20161 votes

To me, Sightstone almost seems like a mid/lategame item. If you get yellow trinket + a control ward, that's 5 wards for bot lane, which is plenty. Mid/Lategame, you'll probably switch out your yellow trinket for a sweeper, decreasing your ward output. However, at that point in the game, you should have enough gold to buy the tier 3 Support item + sightstone combo, compensating for your decreased ability to ward.

It Hertz When IPDec 5, 20161 votes

With the sheer number of champions who can dive under turret, make one-two kills, and get out, I can assure you, wards don't do as much as you think.

Don't get me wrong, I'll still ward, but if four people are coming for me and my ADC, we might as well just lube up and bend over.

TyrekGoldenspearDec 5, 20161 votes

Pretty sure under those circumstances its best to retreat and leave the tower. At least they won't get kill gold too.

6SfoolDec 5, 20161 votes

Sightstone is a horrible rush, but not buying it before the end of laning phase is just stupid, sooner if you push. A couple games ago I had a thresh that starded ruby crystal into sightstone, was stealing all my farm to get the gold for sightstone. And then because I wasn't getting enough farm and he wasn't proccing relic shield, we got poked down and abused and never left the tower. Plus I don't think he placed 2 wards all game.

I almost always start support item > basic boots > resistance item (if dealing with heavy poke of one kind) > tier 2 support item > sightstone tier 3. I just ask the adc to ward a couple times and we're never starved of wards, but once about level 6/7, I take over on warding entirely.

KaiokoDec 5, 20161 votes

In about 90% of the games I go ADC I buy 3 to 4 times the amount of control wards my support gets. The least they can do is get the freaking sightstone.