How about add some older versions of items as a new items ?

Yuneek··71 votes·6,264 views

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#Hi Summoners, I got an idea, how about add some old versions of items as a new items ? ˙ #Specifically, I mean Old Trinity Force and Old Runaan's Hurricane.

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#Lets analyze where was good old versions of these items, and where are the new version of these items good

  • ##Old Trinity Force item 3078 ( Version from patch 5.24 to patch 6.10 ) Was good on champions with low cooldowns or on champions who builds more items which gives to you cdr Was good on champions benefiting with crits and on champions with abilities that apply on-hit effects
  • It was built on Gangplank, Yasuo, Ezreal who built crits etc

  • ##New Trinity Force item 3078 ( Version from patch 6.11 until now ) Is good on champions with bit higher cooldown reduction or on champions who builds less items which gives to you cdr Is good on bruisers and on champions with abilities that apply on-hit effects
  • Builds on Irelia, Jax, Regular Ezreal etc

  • ##Old Runaan's Hurricane item 3085 ( Version from patch 5.8 to patch 5.21 ) Was good on on-hit carries
  • It was built on KogMaw, Kalista, Kayle, Teemo, Kindred etc

  • ##New Runaan's Hurricane item 3085 ( Version from 5.22 tuntil now ) Is good for ADC who builds crits
  • Builds on Ashe, Caitlyn, Twitch, Tristana etc

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#At the end I did some answers on some questions you could possibly think of.

Q: Two versions of one item that is stupid every item is supposed to be unique. A: Riot supports two versions of one item for example look at Hydra item 3074 item 3748 Luden item 3285 item 1414 and Sunfire item 3068 item 1401


Q: Riot changed the item because they do not want to have in game items that buy only small amount of champions. A: According to this logic in the game should not be item 3056 item 3060 item 3050 item 3222 etc


Q: It would be too confusing for new players. A: League of Legends itself is confusing for new players. Nothing new.

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143 Comments

Sahn Uzal44 votes
Ph0ne Guy5 votes

Yea it made building Critplank a whole lot easier.

Ralanr21 votes

Atmas impaler? Would be more useful on Sion than titanic.

Ahristocats3 votes

Garen Darius Nocturne it sure would be, but it was removed because it was a "noob trap item" funny thing is that after it disappeared nocturne also disappeared from competition

Ralanr24 votes

Noob trap item? In a game where we still have Ohmwrecker?

Bullshit.

TotalJerk4 votes

They can't get rid of Ohmwrecker because its named after someone who won the right to have an item named after them.

blueberrypancake2 votes

Yeah I wonder why they haven't removed totalbiscuits yet, I'm pretty sure he hates riot at this point

Yuneek2 votes

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They can't get rid of Ohmwrecker because its named after someone who won the right to have an item named after them.

Riot don't care this, even Grez's Spectral Lantern http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/c/c5/Grez%27s_Spectral_Lantern_item.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/32?cb=20161101082250 and Wriggle's Lantern http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/e/e5/Wriggle%27s_Lantern_item.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/32?cb=20140115130057 got removed and those items was also rewards from referral system.

Source

Yuneek2 votes

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Atmas impaler? Would be more useful on Sion than titanic.

Isn't Titanic Hydra item 3748 somehow same thing ? Isn't Titanic Hydra even better, you can split push with it becouse it is AoE. Sorry if it is stupid question i don't play tanks.

Ralanr7 votes

Yeah it gives wave clear on auto attacks, but champions like Sion and Garen don't really auto that much as the game goes on. They prefer to use their abilities, which scale with AD. So Atmas is better for them because it gives them more damage on their abilities.

Hydra items are better on auto attackers. It's sad when you see people like Xin or Yi build it because they utilize it better than most juggernauts.

Yuneek2 votes

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Yeah it gives wave clear on auto attacks, but champions like Sion and Garen don't really auto that much as the game goes on. They prefer to use their abilities, which scale with AD. So Atmas is better for them because it gives them more damage on their abilities.

Hydra items are better on auto attackers. It's sad when you see people like Xin or Yi build it because they utilize it better than most juggernauts.

Maybe you are right but if it will happen please tell me then those items item 3748 http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/3/3b/Atma%27s_Impaler_item.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/32?cb=20130319090010 will not stacks. That could be insanely OP. I don't wanna be Tank Fiora Fiora back in meta.

HeimerLmao1 votes

Check Frostprime's "how op Twitch used to be" on Youtube, he mentions 6 Tiamat Build that was possible in beta

PB4UAME3 votes

That was possible and viable for longer than just the beta. Also Fiora stacking tiamats with her old Blade Waltz was quite something to behold.

Paroe3 votes

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Isn't Titanic Hydra item 3748 somehow same thing ? Isn't Titanic Hydra even better, you can split push with it becouse it is AoE. Sorry if it is stupid i don't play tanks.

titanic hydra is a waveclear item and pretty useless on AD scaling bruisers who have built in waveclear. It only retains usefulness because of the huge burst on its active.

Atmas was a 1.5% HP scaling bonus AD item - at 4000HP, it was around 40AD. With 45 armor and 15% crit. It was a fantastic niche item but when it was removed it was at a time where the meta revolved around mobiltiy and squish, and not the kind of tanks who would use it.

@thread Trinity force should NOT be split into a second item. It was originally intended for AD casters like jax and irelia. The crit was due to a change that added crit onto zeal. Items like ruunans and Zephyr you have a real argument for because those were powerful niche items. Waveclear guinsoos was also a good thing.

But i think rather than splitting items up, enchantments could be a solution. Enchantments could change the passive on an item to something else entirely. ... but this entire thread is a pipedream because the shop has a hard limit of like 130 items.

YumaS2Astral1 votes

I think that a fourth Spellblade item should be added. Something that benefits crit champions that do not benefit that much from attack speed, like Corki or Gangplank. Something like this:

Subotai's Enchanted Katana item 1038 + item 3057 + item 1018 + 450 gold (3600 gold total)

70 AD 20% critical strike chance 250 mana 10% cooldown reduction

Unique passive - Spellblade: After using an ability, your next basic attack deal 100% base AD (+ 100% of your critical strike chance) bonus physical damage on hit (1.5 second cooldown). If the attack critically strikes, this bonus damage is increased by 50%.


Boom, there is an Spellblade item that benefits crit champions.

The Soulforged2 votes

70 ad...

LordGeovanni1 votes

3600 gold

The Soulforged2 votes

Spellblade + second most ad on an item sounds a bit strong. The 350 combine cost adds 30 ad, and a crit scaling spellblade.

LordGeovanni2 votes

I said some where else the crit scaleing needs to go down but. item 3031 shit ton of damage (crit modifier) on top of already shit ton of damage (crit) item 3508 solves mana hunger better than anything can solve world hunger. while providing the most cdr avaliable on one item.

The Soulforged1 votes

I can imagine this on GP.

LordGeovanni1 votes

yea GP .whistles Jax Yorick Trundle too bad warlords was gutted for melees because it made ranged champions immortal

The Soulforged2 votes

I loved warlords on Olaf. It made you feel invincible in lane whenever your w was up and you were low on health.

Melledoneus3 votes

Shen I miss the old days of Atma.

agbudar14 votes

would be fun to have the old item 3083 back as well or the old version of item 3508 when it was meant for ad casters. item 3027 or this one. item 3001 i liked the mr reduction better. item 3190 personally i prefered the old one due to the cdr +hp it gave. item 3105 anyone remember runic shield?

Silverjust2 votes

I also miss the CDR on locket, tank-supports lack CDR now

why not make 2 lockets that dont stack, one for tanks with cdr and health and one for enchanters with a bit ap or shield-heal thingy or put CDR on knights vow

agbudar2 votes

nah knights vow with cdr would be too strong already as it is i feel the item is strong enough.

item 3083 item 3110 item 3065 are all good solutions for tank supports. in fact with how i currently build im usually around 30% cdr anyway. item 3047 item 2303 item 3109 item 3065 item 3083 with the last item depending on the situation and the champion. makes you quite tough for most fights. item 3065 in combination with all the health regen you get is still worth it even on champs that don't have healing in their kits.

my runes depend on the oponent opting for lots of armor or mr. personally ive taken a liking to scaling armor seals and then flat armor from marks and quints which give me 48 armor from runes alone at lvl 18. with all the lethality going around scaling hp seals dont work as well and you need lots of armor to counter all that lethality you are gonna get hit with.

Silverjust2 votes

the problem is item 3083 is not allways a good item, and I need to buy a item 3190 item 3110 also does not fit in every game

Squey4 votes

item 3083 is 99% of the time a terrible item to buy. I beleive the only person who has it in there core build is soraka and even then its not one her first few items. A item originally designed for tanks seeking hp, that went well when paired with item 3110 ,is now bought more often by non tanks. It honestly hasnt been all that good since riot ruined it. Back in the day it gave 980 hp with a stacking effect on minion kill up to a total of 1420 ish hp. Was bought alot back then and was very useful. It did however stack, as unique passive didnt exists yet. Wish they would bring it back or at least make it resemble the same item. The items passive currently is rarely useful, and the 800 hp is a joke when ad/hp items like randuins give 500 hp and 60 armor plus active that is useful and a nice passive. Even spirit visage gives 500 hp with 55 mr, 10% cdr and a wonderful passive.

Make warmogs great again riot.

Leona OP5 votes

Locket of the Silver Lunari

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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item 3001 i liked the mr reduction better.

According to Riot, it never really was MR reduction. They just kinda labeled it as such even tho it was always coded as a damage amp.

agbudar2 votes

well yes if you reduce their mr you amp your own damage but the mechanic's are different and the old one could actually lower low mr champions below 0 mr which would lead into really strong damage for certain close range ap champions.

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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well yes if you reduce their mr you amp your own damage but the mechanic's are different and the old one could actually lower low mr champions below 0 mr which would lead into really strong damage for certain close range ap champions.

No you miss what i am saying. the old one is the same as the "new" one. they didn't actually change anythign but the value.

agbudar1 votes

ok so they had it coded the wrong way all this time? dang thats riot for ya

ChaddyFantome2 votes

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ok so they had it coded the wrong way all this time? dang thats riot for ya

Yup. When they changed the text, thats all they did, Change the phrasing to be more accurate to what it had always more accurately been.

Terchio3 votes

Would like to see the evidence of this. Pretty sure I've played with it, and tried seeing just where MR values would drop on units, and it legitimately dropped enemy resist down. I mean, it's possible that was part of the bug, but without seeing when they said it, it feels like a convenient explanation.

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

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According to Riot, it never really was MR reduction. They just kinda labeled it as such even tho it was always coded as a damage amp.

I think you're confusing things. MR reduction technically is a damage amp, because that's what it does. Lowering MR increases damage by a %.

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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I think you're confusing things. MR reduction technically is a damage amp, because that's what it does. Lowering MR increases damage by a %.

No. Riot explicitly stated this on the PBE when this "change" was made patches ago. It was always a damage amp and not MR shred/reduction. The only thing that was actually changed was the value.

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

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No. Riot explicitly stated this on the PBE when this "change" was made patches ago. It was always a damage amp and not MR shred/reduction. The only thing that was actually changed was the value.

You got a source?

Because reducing MR is a %damage amp, the value of it depending on their MR, so perhaps they meant that the forgoed the varying damage amp from MR reduction and gave it a flat damage amp instead?

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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You got a source?

Because reducing MR is a %damage amp, the value of it depending on their MR, so perhaps they meant that the forgoed the varying damage amp from MR reduction and gave it a flat damage amp instead?

took me a few days of digging but here you go.

http://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-feedback/MGd4OBay-pbe-support-itemization-notes-622-redemption-knights-vow-ardent-censer-crucible-locket?comment=00170000

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It was a magic damage amplification aura before - this version just explicitly states what it does now rather than having people work through the mental gymnastics of 'oh wait, it's basically a 1 to 25% magic damage amp on nearby enemy champions, depending on their MR and my level'.

Basically, I agree with you that it's not ideal - but this is what the old item was doing.

Asayake 5150glow2 votes

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took me a few days of digging but here you go.

http://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-feedback/MGd4OBay-pbe-support-itemization-notes-622-redemption-knights-vow-ardent-censer-crucible-locket?comment=00170000

Dude.. I was right...

Now that there isn't a direct MR source aura to bolster low MR targets, Abyssal's niche becomes incredibly problematic against these targets. It's been retuned to simply amplify magic damage taken by nearby enemy champions.

That line there indirectly states that Abyssal did use to be MR reduction. As you know, MR is less effective the more of it you get - and thus MR reduction is more effective the less MR your enemy has. Abyssal Scepter's MR shred would've been too strong without the MR aura Locket used to provide, so it was retuned (rebalanced, not just clarified) to a flat damage amp.

I still think what you're getting caught up on is that referring to an MR shred as a damage amp is 100% accurate. A damage amp might not be an MR shred, but the damage amp old Abyssal Scepter had was from MR shred.

Ahristocats7 votes

waiting for old zeke giving lifesteal aura

new one is garbage and was never good

Yuneek8 votes

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waiting for old zeke giving lifesteal aura

new one is garbage and was never good

They will never ever add old zeke back, Riot hate auras that is why they reworked it, and that is also why they deleted magic resist aura from Aegis of the Legion item 3105 and by the way I have to agree new zeke item 3050 is pretty bad

Sraeg20134 votes

New one is garbage, because it is a support item giving crit chance to an ally in a game, where most crit users have 70%+ crit chance already.

Spice POWAH3 votes

it also gives AP, which just makes it even weirder. plus you can't activate it whenever you want.

Linna Excel1 votes

As for Hurricane, it looks like instead of the old version, you are asking for an AP version.

Yuneek4 votes

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As for Hurricane, it looks like instead of the old version, you are asking for an AP version.

Do you know than Kayle Kayle and Teemo Teemo are not only mages but also on-hit champions (also known as machine gun champions).

Linna Excel1 votes

What I'm saying is it looks like you want a version that works better with AP champs, hence I was suggesting an AP version of the item.

The biggest "problems" with the old hurricane is that it only gave AS and riot never really supports on hit builds that well. If you bring it back, it wouldn't be able to compete so well with the new one so I don't think riot would justify having a separate version. Now if you had a common item that built into the crit version and a new AP version, I could see riot doing that.

Yuneek1 votes

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What I'm saying is it looks like you want a version that works better with AP champs, hence I was suggesting an AP version of the item.

The biggest "problems" with the old hurricane is that it only gave AS and riot never really supports on hit builds that well. If you bring it back, it wouldn't be able to compete so well with the new one so I don't think riot would justify having a separate version. Now if you had a common item that built into the crit version and a new AP version, I could see riot doing that.

If riot would not like attack speed champions we couldn't have this item item 3124

Skins Project1 votes

Or.. item 3115 50% Attack speed 80 AP 20% CDR (Unique) And (Approx off top of my head) Bonus 15+(15% AP) magic dmg on hit.

invisiblecat13 votes

Nashors tooth is usually build on Kayle and Teemo, but Hurricane was something you would also get on Kayle, and sometimes teemo, in order to spread the effects around Now it is abused by Ashe Cait, Twitch, and other adc

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