Kaisa is not an ADC, Pyke is not a support, and Jax is not a fighter

Hollabakatchya·9/12/2019, 9:04:29 PM·86 votes·18,616 views

They're all assassins. Kaisa's q (in my opinion) is the exact opposite of how an adc works, Pykes can beat most champs by himself with his healing and ult, and Jax went from getting beat early game to winning at all stages of the game. BOY I LOVE IT

69 Comments

Velzard of Koz9/12/2019, 9:58:30 PM35 votes

Nobody denies Pyke is Assasin. It's his official class. He's Assasin Support. We may discuss how dumb that sounds but you pretend as If Riot was mis-classing him somehow. Support is role, Assasin is class.

Kai'Sa is supposed to be assasin/artillery/adc hybrid based on abilities enhanced. Once again, we may discuss it being terrible idea, but it's obvious they aimed for assasin playstyle there given she has isolation aspect.

Jax is Diver. He's not the only badly designed Diver with assasin tendencies. Wu, Panth and once in a while Jarvan all built Lethality/Burst-Damage. And they're all Divers.

Cind3rkick9/12/2019, 9:10:17 PM11 votes

Kai Sa:

Auto attack Based

High sustained damage

Ranged

Builds no lethality/magic pen

I'd accept called her a mage but definitely not an assassin.

Pyke:

Multiple forms of CC

Sustain

Gives gold to allies

=support assassin.

Jax:

Bulky (3k + HP)

Defensive abilities

High sustainable damage

Starts weak and ends strong (opposite to assassins)

Jax = fighter

Kiwi Lemonade9/12/2019, 10:09:06 PM7 votes

The correct term is overloaded for the OP. Kaisa is an ADC yes, and an assassin, a **mage **(artillery and burst type), and a fighter (massive shield proc relevant to fighter playstyle)

Pyke is an assassin and a support, two classes that should've never combined - leave that to kill lanes. (Arguably somewhere between fighter and tank considering he heals more than either of them once he goes invisible for a second).

Jax is an** assassin** and a fighter. I'm not sure I really agree with the thought this combination doesn't work or is op, he is a hypercarry but I honestly don't see him (currently) being more of a rofltstomper than Master Yi, Tryndamere, or similiar (when they all get fed that is). Additionally I recommend player a non-atuo attack reliant champion against him like Malphite (who is very good right now) to show him up early game.

Jabberwöcky9/12/2019, 10:51:57 PM6 votes

And Malphite is a tank Malphite item 3100 item 3285 item 3020 item 3001 item 3157 item 3102

Jeanne fan club9/13/2019, 12:53:28 AM4 votes

getting bursted for 400 damage lvl 1 by a kai q auto is one of the most interactive and enjoyable parts of the video game for me. Oh, and getting instagibbed by a jax who built items that give both flat damage, cooldown reduction and hp on top of his ults base stat steroid, oh BABY thats what I live for.

DuskDaUmbreon9/13/2019, 12:37:00 AM4 votes

Support is a lane, not a fucking class.

Just because Pyke's not an enchanter doesn't mean he's not a support. Given that, you know, he shares a lot of similarities with the entirety of the fucking tank support class

Pyke is very similar to Blitz and Thresh in terms of primary gameplay.

NelsieLisnen9/13/2019, 9:05:26 AM4 votes

Pyke: Actually meant to be an assassin support

Kai'sa: Actually meant to be an assassin ADC

Jax: Is a skirmisher, the closest thing to an assassin

Why not complain about the majority of champions if you think like that? Most champs in league can burst come the right moment.

Trynda can burst you. Vel'koz can burst you. Varus can burst you. Nidalee can burst you. What's the point if this post?

0cean Mann9/12/2019, 10:51:44 PM3 votes

Actually its Kai'sa is an assasin Pyke is the C in ADC Jax... is a monster :)

Yaskamasandwich9/13/2019, 7:25:23 AM3 votes

They're Abominations, a bunch of different things rolled up into one. Giving them less weaknesses and counters and resulting into being over powered. Usually comes to a champion that is remarked with more than one tag. I've heard Jax as a diver, slayer, skirmisher, fighter, and even a tank and Juggernaut. Honestly I find all those descriptions accurate and one of his core problems.

Pyke was a support assassin. Now he is this support assassin, slayer, skirmisher, that counters his own counters, tanks and especially with his ult. It only starts from there, as he can kill everything.

Kai'sa is a Vayne copy, which Vayne is another Abomination being an Assassin ADC that pretty much counters everything, can 1v1 anything, and goes god mode late game. Vayne's only possible balancing factor is that she can have a weak early game pre level 6, which can be exploited. However people have a hard time closing games in solo que, so she can thrive. Kai'sa is the samething being her copy, but without a weak early game.

Pika Fox9/13/2019, 3:16:49 PM3 votes

Kaisa is an adc subclass assassin.... Thats the point.

If pyke is solo killing you, youre doing something wrong. Pyke physically cannot 1v1 a full health target unless he is obscenely fed.

Jax is based around auto attacks.... Thats not an assassin.

HeeroTX9/13/2019, 3:54:41 PM3 votes

Who ISN'T an assassin currently? I feel like with the "LC$ Big plays" direction Riot has gone, there's only 2 classes of champions now:

  1. Champions that have massive burst that can kill you quickly
  2. Champions that are barely played
GigglesO9/12/2019, 11:02:45 PM3 votes

Kaisa- Burst Mage Pyke - Janitor

Snowbrand9/13/2019, 7:35:10 PM2 votes

But why does Kaisa Q have to be Adcish? Riot even designed her as an assasinish marksmen, so it make sense her kit have both marksmen and assassin design as part of the kit. Pyke is both assassin and support. Jax can burst pretty hard late game, a bit too much, but so can Yi too tbh but they are no assassins just like Caitlyn oneshoting squishys late game isn't.

Garen is adopted9/13/2019, 1:15:49 PM2 votes

Pyke can't beat anyone by himself, maybe except Yuumi.

Modl Ryden l9/13/2019, 6:15:25 PM2 votes

All champions in LoL are assassins.

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