Volibear vs Khazix

SayoriIsBigSad·Mar 11, 2015·1 votes·1,138 views

So in a ranked game, I decided to pick Khazix, I started with crystal flask + 3pots, the enemy volibear started out with cloth +5 pots. When engaged him lvl1, i proced my passive 3 times using bushes, ignited him and used my w on him, he killed me with 10 hp. I later engaged him lvl 3 with him isolated 2 minutes later, his passive procced again and my ignite was on cooldown, therefore he killed me. Afterwards with a gank, he killed both rengar and I. He only had thornmail and he got really fed and did alot of damage. While fighting when he bit me, he took half of my hp away and all he had was thornmail. How do you lane against volibear and why does his w do so much damage? I think that they need to nerf his w and increase the cooldown on his passive. Also can anyone give tips on laning against voli if i did something wrong?

10 Comments

MrBuffingtonMar 11, 20152 votes

Volibear is a scary champion in melee fights; I wouldn't jump on one unless you can poke him down first. He's not the type of squishy champion that you can just one-shot whenever you want; if you jump on him he'll eat you alive, it's the same thing with champs like Udyr or Olaf or Nasus or Darius; the reason they're easier to kite is because once they do get onto you, you're toast. You can also try to poke him down to get his passive to proc, wait it out, then fight him then, so he won't just be healing through all your damage. Also his W scales with his max HP, that's why it does so much damage even though he's building tanky. It has a medium-long cooldown so you have to abuse that as well.

j jMar 11, 20152 votes

You got outplayed. He's an awful champion he just excels at early fights due to his attack speed increase on w passive and how it does high dmg depending on your health. His passive also is really good early. He doesn't need nerfs you just need to use your brain.

pleepMar 11, 20151 votes

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You got outplayed. He's an awful champion he just excels at early fights due to his attack speed increase on w passive and how it does high dmg depending on your health. His passive also is really good early. He doesn't need nerfs you just need to use your brain.

Downvoted for stupidity. Volibear is currently the most effective DPS tank in the game. If u cant see why something is wrong with you.

Volibear is superior to khazix in every single way.

j jMar 11, 20151 votes

Sorry young sir I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but I see you are unarmed.

pleepMar 11, 20151 votes

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Sorry young sir I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but I see you are unarmed.

It would be a pissing contest anyway, one i would win because of my 6 inch advantage.

The Bíg TicketMar 11, 20151 votes

Any why exactly would you try to fight a Volibear at level 1 as Kha Zix?? His base stats are superior in every category, he gets a passive attack speed bonus plus a reallly strong execute from his W while also having his passive to heal him. On top of that he started with Cloth Armor which actually gives combat stats and you went for Flask which is meant to help you stay in lane longer and not force all ins. I am surprised you got him to 10 hp lol.

Regarding your suggested nerfs, his W has a very high cooldown plus he needs to have it stacked before he can use it, in my opinion that justifies its damage, it also is very low range, the point is to not have extended trades with him cause he will outdamage you in a long fight. Passive has a lower cooldown than ignite so yes it can be kinda hard to deal with especially if he gets ahead and I agree that it is a very strong passive but you can also play around it.

SayoriIsBigSadMar 13, 20151 votes

I usually just wait in the bush and get first blood with extra isolation damage, going back and forth between bushes to get passive and then ignite flash. :\ Thank you for the tips however.

BeatzBoyFTWMar 11, 20151 votes

Kha'zix doesn't really fare well as a non-jungling laner.
Volibear's early game is pretty defensive due to his passive on such a low cooldown. I suggest you save your Ignite til you lowered his health enough to proc his passive, that way you can negate the amount of heals he gets, and it would be a lil easier to kill him. Long time ago, I even lost to Voli as a Darius. Was pretty embarassing for me....
His bite will deal heavier damage the lesser health you get, similar to Nidalee's kit. Best to back off when you're low enough to get executed.