Hay lets make black cleaver melee only

SayoriIsBigSad·Mar 30, 2017·139 votes·5,899 views

: Existence is torment.

140 Comments

Critmaster GarenMar 30, 201725 votes

urgot has % armor shred on his e already, so its not that neccessary. even if left in his current state, he could easily be compensated just by buffing the % shred value on the ability itself.

while the stat combination is nice for him, its not irreplacable.

im also not sure we should even care about urgot at this point. hes up next on the list for a full VGU anyways. should be on the level of sion and galio. judging by the pace of the other reworks, his shouldnt be more than like 2 month away.

cuddlykitten4Mar 30, 20171 votes

VGU is visual graphics update. It's not necessarily a rework. Just means their gonna change how he looks in the game. They might also rework him, but a VGU is not that.

SpongebobIsLifeMar 30, 201726 votes

*visual gameplay update.

WoonStruckMar 30, 20179 votes

You're thinking of a VU (Visual Update).

Urgot is getting a VGU ( Visual&Gameplay Update).

TTK DreadnoughtMar 30, 201722 votes

such fun item 3078 item 3042 item 3071 item 3812 item 3022 item 3009

Crede777Mar 30, 20178 votes

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such fun

That 50% CDR though.

GrReaper96Mar 30, 201753 votes

Ikr what a noob build i prefer 115% cdr item 3078 item 3071 item 3110 item 3025 item 3165 item 3158 + mastery

Glory ln DeathMar 30, 201740 votes

Don't forget your full, scaling cdr runepage!

Velzard of KozMar 30, 201716 votes

That's shitty idea, would rather sacrifice some of the CDR for Death Timer Reduction runes.

Glory ln DeathMar 30, 20174 votes

Why have 5% reduced death timers when you could have 150% cdr? I mean honestly, the death timer reduction is useless unless you plan in dying a lot!

cuddlykitten4Mar 30, 201719 votes

but CDR reduces the cooldown on life itself

WoonStruckMar 30, 20172 votes

Actually, its only bad because he's stacking TF+BC+FM when it should be IBG+BC+SV/MoM/EoN. Oh, and tabi/mercs>swifties.

50% CDR isn't a really bad thing like people think. 10% excess CDR is only 267 gold wasted.

If you benefit excessively from the actives/passives in a given situation, its often worth going over the CDR cap, especially if you're item capped and gold efficiency no longer matters.

HateDaddyMar 30, 20179 votes

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That 50% CDR though.

To be fair, it's really hard to not cap CDR anymore lol

LEEROY KLEDKINSMar 30, 201715 votes

Support Miss Fortune item 3071 item 2049 item 3092 item 3512 item 3078 item 3060

"SUPPORT!" item 3071 item 3078

https://68.media.tumblr.com/79dfdd55a615acb7b6d0864e24ef07ba/tumblr_inline_o1u9m26ku01tg2dsb_540.png

h5LYF41LamMar 30, 20175 votes

wtf is this build

RFPSHBYQl7Mar 31, 20176 votes

"Support" Morgana item 2301 item 3089 item 3027 item 3041 item 3040

Gnart Even CloseMar 30, 201711 votes

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

It needs work but not melee only

Jeddy017Mar 30, 201716 votes

Simple, cut the amount of armor shredding for ranged champ. This way it's not as effective for ranged champs & ranged champs can still make us of it if they really want to.

Votable JesterMar 30, 20173 votes

How about double the max number of stacks with each stack applying half the armor shred as it presently does. Ranged champions apply 1 stack while melee champions apply 2.

That way ranged champions can still get full effect in a longer fight.

SP DodgecityMar 30, 20174 votes

You understand the purpose of armor pen right? For AD carries to do more than little dents to tanks.... if you remove the Attack-damage-carries ability to do damage to tanks then you leave adc's even more wide open then they were before. Teams aight good enough to peel consistently. It's almost every man for himself for most matches.

How does an ADC make use of an item that no longer is at full effect? Its no longer worth the gold XD. Here, have an item that gives you armor pen.. .wait you're an adc... hmm. Here take the same item but it'll do 50% less armor pen.. sorry bout that... same price doe....

IcyPepperMar 30, 201711 votes

For AD carries to do more than little dents to tanks....

That's what crit and attack speed is for.

You do a lot of little dents and some of those dents are worth two and a half dents... that's the idea behind sustained damage, you're not supposed to burst down a tank in three autoattacks!

Samflash3Mar 31, 20175 votes

No. Crit and attack speed is an excuse to not give every item insane AD scaling and to allow select champions to rely more on their autoattacks as opposed to their spells and base stats.

SpoofghoulMar 30, 20179 votes

how about they make urgot ''melee & ranged''

he is supposed to be a weapons platform so why not let him abuse every weapon

lord nipple crab supreme deserves some love

OrangesilkMar 30, 20178 votes

You have no idea what you're wishing for, you're going to unleash item 3085 item 3748 item 3022 builds onto the world, we don't even KNOW how those interact.

RFPSHBYQl7Mar 31, 20175 votes

This way Urgot won't be the only one saying "Existance is torment"

Wind WhistlerMar 30, 20173 votes

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how about they make urgot ''melee & ranged''

he is supposed to be a weapons platform so why not let him abuse every weapon

lord nipple crab supreme deserves some love

Actually sounds like a great idea. Too bad no one fucking cares enough about Urgot to give him anything nice. All he's getting is a fucking replacement champion who looks and sounds nothing like him.

http://image.prntscr.com/image/41e8bc357a5a4d1699cfee2e441b7483.png http://image.prntscr.com/image/dd58ea93bdd243bc8fecf927b0b55a74.png http://image.prntscr.com/image/10836b122d5743818ba9af6d59414267.png http://image.prntscr.com/image/ed1cb1e480ee4558aaf2d68fab3bbadc.png

NineTailedMysticMar 31, 20173 votes

All of those champs needed their reworks. You're delusional if you think otherwise.

SayoriIsBigSadMar 30, 20179 votes

Hehe, I meant to put this on memes and games but I guess I was reading a gameplay post when i clicked on create a discussion... Oops. http://i.imgur.com/gpqAHTi.jpg

crippler38Mar 31, 20171 votes

what is that from? I tried running it through an anime tracker but got nothing.

MissingKayoMar 31, 20172 votes

Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru.

Scary DoorMar 30, 20178 votes

I swear, the more I read threads like this the more I wish Riot would just do what the Boards seem to want and make this game melee only, all tanks and watch what happens.

According to the boards, it seems people want games to last 90 minutes, defense outscales offense into the late game and ranged champs are either barely relevant or completely removed.

SpoofghoulMar 30, 20172 votes

no, ranged champs are relevant too

they are just ranged tanks now

ForgiveColourMar 30, 20171 votes

ranged tanks

???

ModAcademy KaynMar 30, 20174 votes

https://m.popkey.co/574b46/WxVke.gif

WinTheWarOnPantsMar 30, 20176 votes

don't forget Graves Lucian MissFortune

ninjaroxasMar 30, 201743 votes

They are the reason people want it melee only.

Jet SettMar 30, 20175 votes

Well Graves needs that if Riot wants to keep his E at giving half stacks when dashing away from an enemy.

MissingKayoMar 30, 201722 votes

lmfao

No, he fucking doesn't.

TimX24968BMar 30, 20173 votes

right. he needs something else.

TwinkieProMar 30, 201718 votes

like a cigar?

Velzard of KozMar 31, 201721 votes

So If he loses BC, he needs another item he could build.

Saltwater Cigar +50 Cancer +20 Addiction

UNIQUE Active: Has 20 charges. Cast consumes charge to create Smokescreen around Graves for 1 second, doubling Cancer this item gives for 4 seconds (stacks, refreshes duration upon stacking). At 10 stacks, gains Chainsmoker bonus.

Upon visiting shop with at least 100 Gold, 100 Gold is automatically spend to fill all 20 charges.

UNIQUE Passive - Chainsmoker: Smokescreens last 2 seconds instead and their area moves with Graves while having range increased by 50%.

This item would synergize well with Graves as he has high base Cancer, though since Riven's Cancer growth is decent, reaching ridiculous amounts of Cancer already midgame, she might abuse the item. Yasuo might look like perfect abuser of this too, but his kit directly counters most of the effects.

Off Meta EvanMar 31, 20172 votes

how long did it take you to do that? i wanna know how committed you were to the meme

StandgroundingMar 31, 20174 votes

Shaco Teemo and Singed both have huge base cancer and growth stat, I can envisage them rushing cigar as first item.

junglerboy16Mar 31, 20176 votes

Singed prefers his own home-grown variety, he wouldn't shell out cash for the cheap stuff you get at the store.

Although he should have a unique passive with Thresh ...

"Hotbox": Smoking inside Thresh's box amplifies the effects on all enemies present by 2000%, this effect spreads to any enemies on the map for 3 seconds once the box is opened.

WinTheWarOnPantsMar 30, 20173 votes

I don't understand what's so hard to understand about my comment?

AimléssMar 30, 20176 votes

Just make the armor shred stack slower, so Lucian and Ashe , can't stack it any faster than a Darius .

Colton147Mar 30, 20173 votes

People are wanting "non-ADC" items to be melee only... But people are abusing "ADC" items too, so it would only be fair if all "ADC" items are made for Ranged champions only.

Ranged items that are commonly abused (there are more; these are just examples): item 3031 item 3139 item 3046 item 3508 item 3006 item 3087 item 3072 item 3153

People are allowed to build what they want; you are not in charge of what people build.

TimX24968BMar 30, 20173 votes

more people need to read and listen to that last sentence. funny thing is, almost all of these are swords or melee-like items, and ADCs, ranged attackers, who usually use guns, build them.

I like to build essence reaver on tryndamere for the 70 ad, 20% crit chance, and 30% cdr (I LIKE AND NEED THAT LAST PART, i've heard opinions on it already), but people don't understand since he isn't a mana champ, they think losing a single passive isn't worth it for 30% CDR, which helps tryndamere escape. (I've heard your complaints before on this before, you still won't change my opinion.)

SP DodgecityMar 30, 20171 votes

Lol, complaining about adc's?? Really?? The simple fact that the bot lane gets ganked and 4 man ganked so often an so consistently. Why on earth would you want to make ADC's even weaker? Heaven forbid a squashy champ wants to get an AD item that offers them some HP too. Not like all the other bruisers, tanks, and off tank builds that exist everywhere right now. Calm down the meta isn't around adc's rn.