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Remake feedback and thoughts

Sayned·7/9/2016, 6:30:37 PM·1 votes·550 views

Overall, I'm really happy about how Remake works, even though I was punished by it twice already (my connection was really bad lately). It is a really good addition, but still needs some polishing. As a player who already found the system really frustrating under certain circumstances, I want to post my thoughts and feedback about the system!

I'm not going to complain about how it works, but the only thing that really bothers me, is the punishment that players get for not connecting to the game. Leaving my thoughts here, for you to discuss and hopefully to get noticed by Riot!

What happens now: person who never connected to the game is treated exactly same way as a leaver would be treated. This means, that the player gets an afk warning and will eventually get punished by getting a so called Low Priority Queue. Sounds fine and fair to everyone who didn't get punished by this system, but it feels very frustrating and unfair for players with a fairly bad AFK history, especially when they don't afk intentionally, but instead, afk because of their poor connection or other circumstances.

Basically, what happened to me is: I was the reason why we remade a game twice. At first, it didn't feel like a punishment, because, I just queued for another game after. It was like "oh well, I just have to queue in for another game and enjoy the game". Eventually, I got a full AFK punishment because of remake. Here is why:

  • I afked (was trying to reconnect, but poor connection didn't let me do it fast enough) for just 3 minutes.
  • I got full punishment, as if I would result a bad game for at least 4 players on my team and possibly even my enemies. By full punishment I mean: 20 minutes of low priority queue for 5 games. Note, that it happened because of 3 minute afk that DID NOT result NEGATIVE PLAYER EXPERIENCE

To me, as to a fair player, who never afks intentionally and happens to live far away from any server, this punishment felt really unfair, since I can't really improve my connection in any way. I know it might look fair for most of the players, but it is not. I will just repeat that, my 3 minute afk did not lose someone LP, the only thing that it has resulted, it probably has wasted around 6 minutes of their life and nothing else. No one lost a game, because it was remade and is treated as a game that never happened, really.

I will also suggest following thing: Instead of giving the leaving player full afk punishment, give them a "dodge" punishment (I didn't pay attention, but I feel like it already punishes leavers as if they dodged champ select, in that case, timers should probably be increased to 10-20 minutes if the game was remade). Why is it better:

  • It will feel like a fair punishment, because you will be unable to rush into another game right after. Additionally, some people might decide to take a break if they got a connection problem (I can tell, that I would take a break from League if that happened to me, at least)
  • It won't feel like a very harsh punishment, compared to afk punishment. Afk punishment was pretty much designed as a way to punish players, who ruin games and result negative player experience. In case of remake, chances are only 1 out of 9 players will complain about their lost 6 minutes and no one else, really. Rest will say "oh well, it's still better if we wasted 20 minutes because of this afk".

Keep in mind, that probably more than 90% of people who fail to connect to the game and result a remake, DO NOT do this intentionally. There's simply no point in doing this intentionally and most of the people who fail to connect, probably experience various connection problems that they can't control. I'm not claiming that it's Riot server's fault. In my case, at least, I know that this has to do with my internet provider and distance between me and EUW, but unfortunately, I have no other choice other than keep playing on EUW and try to enjoy the game that became a huge part of my life.

I really love League, but this punishment is really frustrating for me. I can't play with my friends now, because they hate waiting low priority Q, but I also hate playing solo, so the best option for me is to play bot games for fast wins, which is not fun and enjoyable.

2 Comments

SP Dodgecity7/9/2016, 6:45:12 PM1 votes

The only feedback i can think of is making is not look like a loss on match history. it's not really far to say, "dang someone left without it even starting? Well it won't count as a loss but it sure will look like one on your history."

I just think it should be grey'd out or something. Or it shouldn't even show up unless you reveal it. Idk something like that.

1nf3ct3d7/10/2016, 11:34:39 PM1 votes

I have more to add to this, and I actually hate this remake system. Why? Well simple, I have the same issue to the post owner, the bad connection. In fact, could even have a great connection, no issues with other games, but guess what. League doesn't load, crashed, gives me warnings that it had connection issues or bug splat report, and during that time which could take longer than 3 min, causes me LP points, and gives me this AFK low priority queue.

So how is this fair? The leagues launcher is a mess, it crashed regularly. It prevents from connecting and cause unpredictable problems. Why should I lose so much LP and get AFK punishment for YOUR INCOMPETENT SKILLS IN DEVELOPING A GOOD LAUNCHER!? Instead of milking players with boxes and keys, and ripping off Dota 2 chest system, improve your damn launcher, and servers.

How long has EU West been complaining about the server issues? For more than over 3 years. Even probably the start of the game. Regardless this is annoying, and frustrating addition the game. What really matters is afk players during the game. What usually happens is that this kind of players will feed their lane and then rage quit. But hey, there is nothing you can do as to lose your game. But when an innocent player's tries to get into the game, gets prevented by bad launcher, internet connection, and other various issues, the player gets a full punishment as if he is the scum of the earth. Not quite right thinking.

Please get this system out of the league, or make it refined. Good solution would be to increase to 5 minute and dont start the it until 2nd minute. It is common that most players would be back into the game within first 5 min.