Garen

Lord Ligma·Aug 22, 2015·9 votes·874 views

Was hoping the rework would make him less of a beginner champ and add some risk for his easy kit but instead they just made his late game better. I dont mind but facing him late game is annoying he bowls through your team if you dont have hard cc and it takes so much to kill which is dumb since there are other targets to worry about and ignoring him is hella bad if he spins to win. I know ppl say build against him or get good but its hard to fight him when his kit's sole purpose is to easily kill someone and his scaling is even dumber. Hi guys i have a cleaver a warmogs and an omen watch me half health their marksmen with just my q spin and execute with my ult. I stopped having any faith riot would make reasonable choices but apparently HUD updates are more important than counter plays. Because i really care about the font i look at.

12 Comments

Critmaster GarenAug 22, 20153 votes

goddamnit. why are your tanks and ayour support allowing garen to get into your back line to the adc then? if he itemizes into 1 or 2 reistance items, hes not that tanky unless you let him get fed early. but cc still shuts him down. more easily so than before.

there are so many items in this game that apply slows. there are so many champions with hard cc or even just slows in their kit.

just get used to the idea that hes actually dangerous in melee now and play around that fact. i feel like everyone was just used to watch him fall off by lategame and kindof work himself out. now they get surprised when they cant just sit in his spin and auto attack him anymore.

he might be a bit strong right now, but half of the time i feel like its the fault of my opponent for not respecting me enough and even attempting to kite me. because in the past that worked, even though it never should have tbh.

LuggAug 22, 20152 votes

Garen is very OP right now. He can build one armor item and one MR item and be impossible to kill. Then he can build pure damage and penta the other team. It's pretty ridiculous right now.

HayRossAug 22, 20151 votes

Even as a Garen main, I thought what they did to him was pretty stupid. I liked him before, but he's a hell of a lot better when they first reworked him. The "Villain" damage is WAY too high, and there are too many "Villains"

Radnar the boldAug 22, 20151 votes

Its more his villian perk with true damage. Everything else is fine, but the seond the adc is the villian (or anyone) you can Q, E, and maybe some autos and then bam there dead. Thats why people think he does crazy damage, but he has always been a tank.

fasegaAug 22, 20153 votes

Garen has never been a tank as he has no cc and requires damage to be effective. The rework simply enabled him to do the damage he needed to not be ignored in teamfights. As far as op I don't think so as he gave up laning power for a better late game and most people seem for forget they removed his tenacity on the W making him very easy to kite and peel. It really just people are use to facetanking his ignoreable damage from before the rework and refusing to kite making him seem godlike when he is just finally in a good spot.

Radnar the boldAug 23, 20151 votes

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"Garen has never been a tank as he has no cc and requires damage to be effective"

That is arguable. You build just black cleaver and the rest armour/health, and most guides even say its pointless to build mostly damage. But yes, he is not a tank, and Riot calling them juggernauts (tank that do damage) means he is not a tank.

As for the rest of your thing, you are correct, he can now be able be useful in teamfights when it comes to damage. He is now in a very good spot.

Critmaster GarenAug 23, 20152 votes

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That is arguable. You build just black cleaver and the rest armour/health, and most guides even say its pointless to build mostly damage. But yes, he is not a tank, and Riot calling them juggernauts (tank that do damage) means he is not a tank.

As for the rest of your thing, you are correct, he can now be able be useful in teamfights when it comes to damage. He is now in a very good spot.

most guides are wrong.

if you checked champion gg, then youd see that his highest winrate masteries summoners and items went heavily into offense pre rework. most people who picked him up fell into the trap of building him 100% defense builds and ended up getting nothing done but ult 1 guy on low hp. garen couldnt carry with this build if his team didnt already win anyways.

ignite, 21/9/0 masteries and bruiser buils with a mix of damage and defense were the most successful on him.

this is how experienced garen players built him.

what people dont seem to understand is, that the juggernauts are supposed to be carry champions whos sole job it is to deal a ton of damage in melee. to offset their highly restricted range, and low mobility theyve been made more tanky, so they can actually do their job without dieing too fast.

people need to lose the idea, that those champions are supposed to be tanks and only soak damage without really fighting back.

Radnar the boldAug 23, 20151 votes

Like I said "Garen scales well with damage" so you need a mix of both. Its is pointless to build MOST damage, and you website has armour items as well as damage Items that have health. Never said Garen shouldnt fight back, for he is a bully that is to focus the squishy champs and cause chaos. AGIAN NEVER SAID FULL DEFENSE.

Garen Mains also have to deal with the new items that are better choices than the old ones such as sterak and dead mans plate. The old Garen WAS more of a soaker of damage, while the new one is more damage heavy. Champion GG also has the new items, which shows he has changed, meaning his new builds have shifted with the buffs.

TahmKench ExpertAug 22, 20151 votes

The whole juggernaut thing was mostly just a sham. It's really hard to say that most of the champions changed needed buffs (kit buffs at that), but when they buffed Darius and Garen, that was pretty out of line. Morde did need some changes, but he really just got shit on instead.

Ben SharpioAug 23, 20151 votes

This is so true. The last time i said this i got downvoted to oblivion. How can Riot make a braindead champion like Garen overpowered? I didn't think it was possible but now it is. Now a god damn beginner can use this stupid ass easy champion and nonchalantly destroy my adc with his stupid villain passive. It is so retarded watching him CRIT while spinning around over and over and over again. It is nearly impossible to kill him late-game and he's officially annoyingly broken.

CorruptedScytheAug 23, 20151 votes

I went against a Garen earlier with 5k hp, 300 ad, and 250 defense. We all built lw, botrk, and liandry's, and he could still take us all on at the same time. It was pretty ridiculous.