I just tested vayne with devourer in normals. Her w procs every 2 hits with the sated devourer, The enemy team had 2 tanks with thornmail and had rand or Fh, i literally 1v5ed (with the help of soraka ult) and got a penta, the tanks armor meant nothing because my w went every 2 hits, this needs to be fixed because as much fun as i had im sure the enemy team had 0 fun. EDIT: Meant for the title to be read this for as to why sated devourer is op.
redniwediS4 votesSo either Vayne has smite in lane and builds an item that will take ages to turn into the OP version, or Vayne is jungling in which case she is insanely weak to invasions.
Sounds fine to me. If you fail to shut her down in that situation it's your own fault.
ValyrianBlade3 votesWhat about a 'protect the vayne' comp, except with vayne top (and focus scuttle for the stacks), a good roaming support and a jungler who can camp top? She brings smite tp, wins Lane against melee anyways, and scales way harder than anything else?
Although then i guess you just go at her with 3 or 4 people? Not sure how well that would work.
MalzaharAnyLane2 votesThe problem is, there's a number of tops that can eat Vayne alive, even properly protected by her jungler.
None of which are tanks or bruisers, mind you, but there it is.
ValyrianBlade1 votesyes, my point was more so that Vayne almost definitely has to have multiple top lanes who she could win lane against 1v1. By allowing her to become so insanely strong once she gets sated devourer, it would invalidate picking those top laners early as Vayne could be picked INTO them.
Of course there are loads of assassins and the like which would destroy Vayne in a solo lane, even if she wasn't using smite/tp. The point I meant to make was that there may be selective opportunities to pick Vayne top where she would be stronger than she should be allowed to be. There have got to be several top laners who wouldn't have kill pressure on her.
RainStorm0075 votesWhat about a 'protect the vayne' comp, except with vayne top (and focus scuttle for the stacks), a good roaming support and a jungler who can camp top? She brings smite tp, wins Lane against melee anyways, and scales way harder than anything else?
Although then i guess you just go at her with 3 or 4 people? Not sure how well that would work.
Umm, why not protect the Smite'maw? The %hp too strong
redniwediS2 votesIf Vayne does not go bot it will take an unusually large amount of effort from her team to keep her alive early game if she takes smite. If she plays safe she will fall behind faster than if she simply used a more optimized build.
If she does go bot perhaps she will be fine, however early lane trades will require her to have a strong and well played support. She can end up doing well, however there is far less room for failure than there normally would be. It's a simple risk/reward problem, where both are much higher than usual.
Melee doesn't auto-lose to ranged, particularly if that range is rather short and squishy. As a Garen main who has faced far worse than a Vayne in top lane I'm not even remotely worried.
ValyrianBlade1 votesI'm not saying against any top lane, I'm saying picking her in to specific opponents. There MUST be several melee top laners against which she can win lane 1v1 and have a jungler camp her to deter ganks.
Garen's charge, silence, and health regen help him deal with ranged champions a lot better than some other melee champions can. I rarely play top so I can't make an exhaustive list, but for example I would imagine a Vayne could hold her own against a Nasus, while denying him stacks by condemning him away from siege minions.
redniwediS1 votesAll I'm saying in that regard is that marksmen have gone top before long enough for top lane mains to learn to counter. The information is already out there, so while it will win you a few games it's not going to be some new and amazing strategy that will help you climb ranks. Against people who actually know what they are doing it is rather likely that the weak early game will actually be a detriment.
Basically it's a way to cheese someone who doesn't know what they are doing. You can get some wins and a fair amount of fun out of it but it's nothing particularly OP.
Llanite1 votesWhat about a 'protect the vayne' comp, except with vayne top (and focus scuttle for the stacks), a good roaming support and a jungler who can camp top? She brings smite tp, wins Lane against melee anyways, and scales way harder than anything else?
Although then i guess you just go at her with 3 or 4 people? Not sure how well that would work.
Bring assassin top and blow her to oblivion. Scuttle alone won't get stacks fast enough, she needs kills and gold.
Alternatively, ward the river and 3v1 when she chases the crab to baron bushes.
ValyrianBlade1 votesmy point was more so that Vayne almost definitely has to have multiple top lanes who she could win lane against 1v1. By allowing her to become so insanely strong once she gets sated devourer, it would invalidate picking those top laners early as Vayne could be picked INTO them.
Of course there are loads of assassins and the like which would destroy Vayne in a solo lane, even if she wasn't using smite/tp. The point I meant to make was that there may be selective opportunities to pick Vayne top where she would be stronger than she should be allowed to be. There have got to be several top laners who wouldn't have kill pressure on her. The reason she brings TP is to teleport to Dragon fights to grab 5 stacks there (and potentially a couple large camps on her way back to lane).
Erockandroll4 votesI'm iffy about it, But Vayne is still a glass cannon. I just finished a match fighting against a Vayne, and she was no match against my Sated Jax. Stun her for a seconded and she was already dead. Plus my counter strike made her Auto attacks worthless.
Actually, I believe effects like dodge and block stop the sated attack as well. So Jax might be a fair counter.
CreationFlaw2 votesAmazingly, other champions are like this as well. And besides, the enemy team was shit <3. If you don't counter jungle an adc, you're an idiot.
Matezoide2 votesDevourer is cancer and should be deleted immediately.
Dont give a fuck how good/bad it is, just fuck this item. We are back to the Jungler doing nothing for the first 20 minutes
Lugg4 votesActually, the fastest way to stack it is with Champion kills and assists.
Iron IV dude1 votesI wonder, what a roaming Top-Vayne could do with it... :o
Celeste Benal1 votesCamps are worth 1. Champs are worth 1. Scuttler is worth 2. Dragon and baron are each worth 5. Clear all the things.
Lugg1 votesCorrect. I forgot they they changed champs from 2 to 1. Still it's still worth ganking.
Sukishoo2 votesto way sated
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Vicious Vortex1 votesWell i was top lane and just kept killing scuttle and my top laner but yea its just so strong because if you can stall it out long enough its so op.
Wero341 votestrue op devourer in lane
TheI3igDaddy1 votesImplying that someone ever has fun fighting a Vayne?
xl Kirito lx1 votesDevourer is going to be played like Ludens Echo. It's all about finding the right jungler who can abuse it the most.
Iron IV dude1 votesEvery laner goes for it, gets fed by kills and assissts, win.
LankPants1 votesHow does their entire team have no upgraded red trinkets or even pink ward droppers? No shit you're going to lose to any Vayne if you decide to not build any ways to reveal her.
Aheadatime1 votesWhat the hell went wrong when you typed out this thread title? "Think if as inside chicken is delicious"
Linna Excel1 votesgogo jungle vayne.