Mojihito66616 votesthat would make too much sense thus wont happen
Resolution2 votesthat would make too much sense thus wont happen
Exactly
Tomoe Gozen7 votes
- Remove premade and let solo que become the unique arena where players can measure with each other. It would probably lead to fairer matchmaking and remove the doubt that players who reach the master level are real champions. Do not worry that teams will be less important. (LOL will always be a team game. There is nothing that needs to be forced).__
I oppose this idea. For no other reason that duoing with a partner was always available since League was alive. This wasn't a change that happened recently and no one should be forced to play completely alone.
Bloodgam3 votes[deleted]
Guiboulou5 votesDid you just call them a dumbass for no reason at all? What the hell dude. Personal attacks will never help you win an argument.
Tomoe Gozen1 votesYou have completely misscalculated dumbass it was move duo to flex queue and let solo queue be solo queue .
Solo queue was never truly solo queue. Duo queueing with a partner was always there, even before LP was added over ELO as a mask. And if people never had an issue about that earlier (because that's always a point where people go back to when they accuse Riot of having broken matchmaking), it certainly isn't creating any issues now. But you know, attacking any random element of matchmaking is always an option if one decent argument can't be made to support such a claim.
Duo queueing should not exist for Master and Challenger players, i agree. That's where things get serious for pro play and that's where your solo skill should matter the most.
RedEve1 votesI'd also like to point out:
Higher Tier players would easily cheat the system. Much like when they Stream snipe, it'd fix the problem here but create an even bigger mess elsewhere.
Flex itself is a mess somewhat, you would be trying to fix match-making for Solo but that wouldn't fix Flex's match-making, you'd be once again, moving a problem without actually fixing it
KazaJhodo3 votes[{quoted}](name=Tomoe Gozen,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ufpyqaGT,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-04-16T14:57:14.073+0000)
I oppose this idea. For no other reason that duoing with a partner was always available since League was alive. This wasn't a change that happened recently and no one should be forced to play completely alone.
So play flex? Duo fucks matching.
These games are too random, something must be done.
GayFluffyUnicorn2 votesAnd it has always been shitty and abusable. And it just gets more and more abusable and well shittier.
Tomoe Gozen1 votesAnd it has always been shitty and abusable. And it just gets more and more abusable and well shittier.
Can you provide me with some substantial evidence that proves it's abusable? "Shitty" sounds like a subjective opinion, though.
You can't tell me that a game, that has a matchmaker that makes teams of 5 random players to play against each other in teams of 5, is supposed to be played completely isolated and treated as a 1v1 environment, much like Heartstone and Starcraft.
There's already this popular opinion that one single bad player can lose you the game. If we're going with that premise, i can't get ELO boosted/ELO boost someone to higher ELOs from duo queueing because someone's going to drag someone down. If i know i have great synergy with a certain duo partner and i like playing with them, i'd rather remove one random teammate from the equation and substitute them with someone i think it's better suited for the job.
If this is going to give me greater chances of victory (by introducing a more skillful and a more cooperative player into the mix), i should absolutely have that right. And that right is fortunately for us, limited to only 1 person. I'll say it again - League was never a 1v1 environment. Don't treat it as a game that is supposed to cater to solo diehards when League was never that kind of a game from the very start.
I understand this option not being available for the top percentile of players (Master/Challenger) but forcing this arbitrary rule from Bronze to Challenger is sending the wrong message on how you shouldn't ever rely on your teammate for anything. That it was always you VS everyone.
T4underbolt6 votesWould be nice because currently duo screws matchmaking. I was supposedely mmr of gold 5 (ye pretty sad for a plat player to fall so low), but people I was getting had brain damage of bronze 5 0 lp players. The moment I played some matches with my friend who is actually gold 5 and his mmr is also gold 5 the quality of teams increased drastically. It still wasnt great, but I wasnt getting total braindeads every game. And the moment i went to play solo game again noobs. Duo matchmaking is screwed. I believe it might be just a sneaky way of riot to enforce duo boosting. Thjey had to remove dynq that was an epitome of legal elo boosting in 3-4-5 man premades, because it was too obvious. Instead of giving us pure soloq as they promised they went with duo again and tweaked matchmaking to help duo boosters.
BiochemicalZombi2 votesNo, if you honestly think that because of duo queue you are being placed with bronze players who have gold mmr then you are just avoiding the fact that your mmr has fallen that low. If what you said is true and you were at plat and your mmr is below a gold 5’s face the fact that it’s not riots secret plan to encourage Elo boosting
It’s just that your bad...
T4underbolt1 votesFirst learn to read. My MMR is gold 5 while being in plat. While I am matched with terrible players that literally don't want to coop when I play solo, I get cooperative and decently playing players when I duo with someone who has supposedly the same MMR as me. That means math making doesn't match your teammates based on MMR. This is yet another prove. And my low MMR comes from trashes I was matched with in last 100 games. I was heading to plat 1 with ease few months ago untill matchmaking struck with its greatness.
BiochemicalZombi3 votesFirst of all learn to read, what I said is true. Your mmr is being matched along with players in the whole game, like in your most recent game that Quinn probably had around Gold 1/2 Mmr like you when she was G3 , so this was most likely was going to be a game where both teams had a G3/G2 with high mmr at plat/g1 and both teams had balanced g3-s1 mmr after that. But you filled the G1 mmr slot so you got it.
Also people don’t just stop cooperating when you duo queue, your most likely being a dick to them or some other reason. They don’t start cooperating because you duo queue, most of the time they don’t care if you duo
Also your own account proves mmr match making works, even though your plat, you have Gold mmr so your getting placed with gold players. In fact if you were getting placed with plat 4+ Or Silvers consistently it would prove mmr matching doesn’t work.
So basically your account’s existence proves that Mmr match making works
T4underbolt1 votesIt proves otherwise. The players I'm matched with when duo and players I'm matched when playing solo are supposed to be from same MMR and yet they are completely different. You won't tell me it's a coincidence that everyone I duo my team was fine and cooperative and decent (not very good but you could work with them and carry them) but the moment I don't use the duo which is boosting glorified by riot themselves to help casuals climb for free, I get players that don't even know how to tie their shoes. It is exactly proves that matchmaking is rigged and doesn't work as intended.
BiochemicalZombi1 votesThere isn’t some magical system where if you duo the system will put you with more cooperative players. How would they measure how cooperative someone is lmao, by honor I guess?
Placebo effect is what’s happening. Everytime you duo you have one more role that is cooperating
The other thing I can think of is since you are working together you guys are more likely to get fed or your team is ahead, plays listen to players who are doing good, I’m guessing since your plat playing with G5’s you most likely don’t pop off in every game. And most likely people are flaming you for feeding or doing dumb plays.
Sounds like to me you want people to always cooperate in your plays. I will not follow a call of a player who’s doing bad in my game, they are most likely tilted or do not know how the matchups work or else they wouldn’t be behinde
T4underbolt1 votesIt's not a placebo if it happens everytime. You are just biased because you dont care about this game. I played since s3 and I know how this game used to be. You are biased because this game is made now for noobs and casuals like you who like to climb with no effort for free.
BiochemicalZombi1 votesIt's not a placebo if it happens everytime. You are just biased because you dont care about this game. I played since s3 and I know how this game used to be. You are biased because this game is made now for noobs and casuals like you who like to climb with no effort for free.
Give me some proof that solo queuing and duo queing make people more and less cooperative
You are obviously completely biased on this matter as it would make no logical sense that people would be less cooperative only because you solo...
Also if your going to start calling me a casual and a noob then let me tell you something. I’ll give you the truth you can’t seem to accept
I litterally see you crying on the boards everyday about how Adc’s are broken and you get shitty teammates and that’s why you are plat5 playing with golds and silvers... no. It’s hilarious to see you make up reasons on why you can’t climb and litterally playing people one whole division down then you blame the mmr system for you being there.
Like really lmfao. If you weren’t 45% wr maybe your mmr wouldn’t have tanked that far. Riot isn’t conspiring to give you shitty teammates the system has deemed you are the same skill level as your so called “bronze” teammates
You played since S3 and you are still blaming your team for you not climbing hilarious. I played against 2 P5’s today and I guess I’m just some shitty Silver player with really shitty plats. hope they don’t have the same mentality as you do :).
p.s (Adc’s are strong but they can’t carry you if you die 3+ times getting solo killed by your laner) [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]
T4underbolt1 votesI'm not biased. Every time I duo with my friend who has the similar MMR we suddenly get better teammates who can play defensive. They are still not very good but can play from behind and coop. The moment I come back to play solo I get total shts and flamers. This is not a coincidence. It happens always. Duoq has been rigged by riot to make it easier to duo boost people. My win rate is like this because I get literal shts nearly every game since start of the season. I can count on a fingers on my both hands how many games I actually had where my team was good. That means not too many times. Most of the time I had to carry the sht out of my team so hard I hardly believe I played with humans or I simply lost because there is nothing I can do Vs 4 other enemies being fed.
Really convienent to talk about having good MMR when you spam ADC. And if you claim they are not so broken then I have bad news for you. They are and the one biased here is only you. Every moron can pick up ADC role and win because all other teammates are forced to be your slaves and help you with anything. And you have the easiest and cheapest power spikes as well as ways to use the DMG by right clicking.
BiochemicalZombi1 votesI'm not biased. Every time I duo with my friend who has the similar MMR we suddenly get better teammates who can play defensive. They are still not very good but can play from behind and coop. The moment I come back to play solo I get total shts and flamers. This is not a coincidence. It happens always. Duoq has been rigged by riot to make it easier to duo boost people. My win rate is like this because I get literal shts nearly every game since start of the season. I can count on a fingers on my both hands how many games I actually had where my team was good. That means not too many times. Most of the time I had to carry the sht out of my team so hard I hardly believe I played with humans or I simply lost because there is nothing I can do Vs 4 other enemies being fed.
Really convienent to talk about having good MMR when you spam ADC. And if you claim they are not so broken then I have bad news for you. They are and the one biased here is only you. Every moron can pick up ADC role and win because all other teammates are forced to be your slaves and help you with anything. And you have the easiest and cheapest power spikes as well as ways to use the DMG by right clicking.
Really, I spam Draven LOL do you think he is anywhere near champions like Ka sai, Jhin, Cait etc, he’s in the worst place he’s been in years... see how are you going good to complain about me spamming one of the highest skill cap adc That’s currently Tier 4 lmao
T4underbolt1 votesSkill cap. Yeah his skill cap is the highest of all ADC but skill floor is non existent. Poking people in lane with q and aery which basically send them to base after few autos can be done by anyone. During most fights you need to catch like 3-4 axes at best. To be successful with draven you don't need huge skills. Winning lane is easy. And usually ADC that wins lane can easily establish the dominance to the end of the game. Draven is a stat check ADC.
BiochemicalZombi1 votesSkill cap. Yeah his skill cap is the highest of all ADC but skill floor is non existent. Poking people in lane with q and aery which basically send them to base after few autos can be done by anyone. During most fights you need to catch like 3-4 axes at best. To be successful with draven you don't need huge skills. Winning lane is easy. And usually ADC that wins lane can easily establish the dominance to the end of the game. Draven is a stat check ADC.
But I guess Draven is really op lol 3) pffftt do you know what skill floor is? You cannot pick up Draven and immediately start carrying with him. He’s a champion that is litterally only workable by knowing his mechanics, there is litterally close to no champions that require you to know mechanics for you to play it.
If you don’t know how to control axes it’s litterally impossible to play him, you would have 1.5 abilities in total.
Draven does not win lanes now unless the enemy adc fucks up. You can no longer play super aggressive due to ignite buffs and warlords bloodlust sustain not in the game anymore. A champion that has no escape, has to constantly auto to sustain axes means that you will be pushing and will allow the enemy adc to set up a freeze or a slow push into your tower.
also if you only need to catch 3-4 axes in a team fight your litterally 2 items up on everyone.
Most important question, you said I was biased because I “spammed adc” when I really don’t play the meta ones and only play draven
Do you think Draven is anywhere as good as Ezreal, Cait, Jhin and Kasai (basically all T2+)?
Even as people who are masters+ call him garbage right now lol?
Tomoe Gozen1 votesMy MMR is gold 5 while being in plat.
I don't know how that's possible. If you're either a Plat player or a Gold player.
You can't be matched with Gold players if they're not even close to your ELO, Matchmaking doesn't work that way. I don't know what kind of a story you tell yourself at night to justify your (likely bad) performance but matchmaking doesn't work how you want to think it works.
The whole premise of a Matchmaker is that it matches you according to your current ELO. Not your future or your past ELO, nor ELO chunks in your past X amount of games.
T4underbolt1 votesApperantly you don't know how supposedly matchmaking works but also isn't exactly working as riot said. Basically you are completely wrong. And I on the other hand am trying to prove that riot feeds us with lies and is changing how matchmaking supposed to work depending if you play duo or not.
Tomoe Gozen1 votesApperantly you don't know how supposedly matchmaking works but also isn't exactly working as riot said. Basically you are completely wrong. And I on the other hand am trying to prove that riot feeds us with lies and is changing how matchmaking supposed to work depending if you play duo or not.
That's weird. Because Riot specifically made post about Matchmaking, outlining their algorithms and improvements, going back to DQ. Team building, role selection, way less autofills and way more primaries... They also said that there's nothing in the system that forces you to play games with worse teammates if you're winning. But sure, don't give me any evidence that what you're saying is correct, just say that it is and we'll believe you. Because that's how it works on the boards.
T4underbolt1 votesyou didnt give me evidence. Riot was saying for years that you get matched based on MMR not your elo. And you claim that they said something different which actually would be pretty nice if not the fact its still not true.
Tomoe Gozen1 votesyou didnt give me evidence. Riot was saying for years that you get matched based on MMR not your elo. And you claim that they said something different which actually would be pretty nice if not the fact its still not true.
MMR is a derivative number from ELO, made specifically for games like League. You can catch a glimpse of your MMR gains and losses after each ranked game.
If it's in the range of 18-20 LP per win, you're about where you should be in terms of your rank. The system gives you about 50-50% chances of winning your games. If it's more, your MMR is higher than your rank and it's easier to climb with less wins. If it's less, your MMR is below your rank and it's harder to climb until you get better.
Divisions/Tiers don't matter. It's a mask over your MMR/ELO that's can give you a decent picture of where you stand and how close you are to your goals. Upon checking your profile on op.gg, your solo MMR is approximately 1720 (Gold 1) while average MMR in Plat 5 0 LP (where you currently are) is approximately 1733. Your total win ratio in this ranked season is 46%. So you are losing 4% more games than you should be.
My MMR is gold 5 while being in plat.
There is a big discrepancy between what you said and what op.gg calculated for you. I don't know where you're getting that information from but any site (if it's not Riot's) can only give you an approximation because they all use a different algorithm to calculate it. Some are less accurate, some more. But only Riot knows the exact number for every player.
T4underbolt1 votesYou just judged my MMR by a site that is completely wrong about it and then you tell me that sites are mostly not accurate. But at least we established that what matters is hidden MMR and that LP gains depend on MMR.but it still means that MMR is tided to divisions because your MMR is either too low or too high or normal for the division you are in. And now going back to what happened to me.
I know that my MMR is of gold 5 and my friend who was gold 5 was also with similar MMR because his LP gains were close to 20 per win and per loss. So equal gains which means he was gold 5 MMR. And I know im at gold 5 MMR because I have a warning about decaying if my mmr doesn't go up. I get like 12-13 per win. It is a well known fact that when you are about to drop from X5 division that means your MMR is on the level of (X-1)5 division. So I'm plat 5 but due to being about to decay that means my MMR is gold 5. So now that I explained to you I hope how do I know my MMR and my friends MMR there is that case where iam supposed to be matched with similar MMR players, but I'm getting total noobs and flamers basically every game, but the moment I duo with my friend who has the same MMR so we still get supposedly matched within same MMR range, suddenly the teams are at least decent and calm. Can play defensive and sht. What I wanted to say is that duo queue is rigged to help in elo boosting. This is yet another change so noobs and casuals can have easier time climbing.
Tomoe Gozen1 votesYou just judged my MMR by a site that is completely wrong about it and then you tell me that sites are mostly not accurate.
No, op.gg is correct, it's just not pinpoint correct. Whether you use lolking, mobalytics or op.gg, they all have a slightly different take on how they calculate MMR. That's why the number across those sites is never the same. The difference can vary slightly or for a few more points. Whichever sight you chose to use, stick to it for a long time.
You assumed you're the same MMR as your friend because you have the same LP gains. If you were Diamond and played way below your MMR (Gold 5), you wouldn't suddenly gain 70 or more LP. It's even more wrong to assume your MMR than to use a site dedicated for League rank to calculate it. You can calculate your friend's MMR there and figure it out from those two numbers.
That would've been a more accurate comparison than two assumptions.
T4underbolt1 votesThis is why I know you can't read, you are blind. Literally. You had prove right before your eyes that my MMR is the same as my friend. Read my post again or ask someone to read it to you slowly so you understand everything. Then you will understand that op.gg is far from saying the truth.
Tomoe Gozen1 votesThis is why I know you can't read, you are blind. Literally. You had prove right before your eyes that my MMR is the same as my friend. Read my post again or ask someone to read it to you slowly so you understand everything. Then you will understand that op.gg is far from saying the truth.
I don't even want to discuss MMR with a person who calculates it by eyeing it out from LP gains. You don't know how the algorithm even calculates your MMR and now you sit here and claim how you know exactly where you sit, by not even consulting op.gg or Riot themselves.
Your guesswork does not interest me in the slightest. And neither does your anecdotal evidence. The reason why you blame Riot for "poor" matchmaking is because you yourself eat up misinformation you tell yourself.
T4underbolt1 votesYou really are dumb. Please how the hell do you even know how to breathe. It is literally known fkingfact that when you get lp gains of 13 and YOU GET A GOD DAMN WARNGING ABOUT BEING ABOUT TO DECLINE FROM E.G. PLAT 5 IT MEANS YOUR MMR IS ON GOLD 5 LVL. IT MEANS THAT. FFS. HOW DUMB ONE HAD TO BE.
Tomoe Gozen1 votesIt is literally known fkingfact that when you get lp gains of 13 and YOU GET A GOD DAMN WARNGING ABOUT BEING ABOUT TO DECLINE FROM E.G. PLAT 5 IT MEANS YOUR MMR IS ON GOLD 5 LVL. IT MEANS THAT. FFS. HOW DUMB ONE HAD TO BE.
Since you're not being clear here, i'll have to explain two things to you:
No, it's a well known fact that you decay from your division/tier back to Gold 1 (minimum) after a certain point of ranked inactivity, from Plat+. It's a full month of time of ranked inactivity as far as i recall and that goes up to Diamond 1. Masters and Challengers have this decay set sooner, i think it's about a few days for Masters, for Challengers is a day or two. Ranked decay has nothing to do with your LP gains/losses.
If you're talking of demotions, then it's logical that if you're getting crappy LP gains and steeper LP losses, that you clearly can't keep your winrate up to stay in the division/tier you're currently in. You're losing more games than you're winning, which means that your MMR is lower than the average MMR in your current division/tier and therefore, you don't deserve to be higher (at that point in time).
T4underbolt1 votesYou get demoted from e.g. plat 5 to gold 1 if you lost sommany games at 0 LP that your gains are the lowest possible and your MMR hit gold 5 MMR values. It is like this. It is a fact and you keep trying to deny it. So keep doing that and be delusional all you want. I guess you also think that earth is not round.
Soraka Rules1 votesWould be nice because currently duo screws matchmaking. I was supposedely mmr of gold 5 (ye pretty sad for a plat player to fall so low), but people I was getting had brain damage of bronze 5 0 lp players. The moment I played some matches with my friend who is actually gold 5 and his mmr is also gold 5 the quality of teams increased drastically. It still wasnt great, but I wasnt getting total braindeads every game. And the moment i went to play solo game again noobs. Duo matchmaking is screwed. I believe it might be just a sneaky way of riot to enforce duo boosting. Thjey had to remove dynq that was an epitome of legal elo boosting in 3-4-5 man premades, because it was too obvious. Instead of giving us pure soloq as they promised they went with duo again and tweaked matchmaking to help duo boosters.
If you're being matched with Gold 5's in a plat division then it means you'll lose more lp for a win and gain less lp since the system believes you don't belong in plat (since you're vs golds and you're plat, and the system wants you to have a 50% wr) When I was gold 4 I was already getting matched with plat players who had plat mmr. winning 26lp and losing was 14lp. Seems like gold is your true elo [slayer-jinx-catface]
T4underbolt1 votesDid you read what I've written? Or you just skip the parts you don't want to read?
OnlyGragasOnlyGG3 votesGreat idea, I support. The only thing which could get worse is more people might start buying eloboost services since you wouldn't be able to get boosted by your duo partner any longer.
KazaJhodo3 votesThis makes too much sense.
remakoro1 votesI love duo matchmaking ^^ Cuz im never playing duo ^^ If other team gets premade then chances are good - they will suck.
KlydeFrog1 votesThat's how it is on heroes of the Storm
Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votesDon't even know what's they wait for...
Craktite1 votesIf duo are master/challenger they are good together, what is the problem? This game is a team game, to really know if you are good you need play with 4 premade, and work together to win. Lcs are in team of 5 no? And its more fun to play with at least one friend, if you have a friend.
JAAAAAAAAAAAAYCE1 votesI just dont like duo queuers because theyre normally bad at this game. Just think about it, they need a duo to rank up into an elo where they dont belong.
