Garen Needs A Nerf. There I Said It.

Revananites··3 votes·1,441 views

Its that time of the year when Christmas spirit is high, Gifts are here, and post of necessary nerfs start conflict.

Merry Early Christmas Bitches and lets start this holiday off with wtf league has been up to, or rather what they haven't been up to (which are nerfs)

Hey rek'sai how you doing down there in the dumpster? Remember when I use to own the map with you? well that's done for along with the bazillion other champs that were once beloved by me and other rift walkers. But I digress.

Garen holds a pocket warmongers, a silence that also cuts armor, mobility for days, a breed of tankyness and damage that I genuinely am struggling to find another champ to even relate it to, as well as a true damage ult that is truly devastating, Like the pun? no? well I apologize for trying to add a spin to this rant post.

An example of just wtf is league thinking with this champ, is nunu.

I started to main him because he looks cool and to be honest that's the only real joy I get out of league anymore.

as I started to play nunu I realized that this is how you make a champion. possibly OP under circumstances and skill wall, but can be countered and has blind spots so to say. With that being said nunu does not belong in league of legends. Hes to balanced (and I'm not being facetious when I say that). Ult CANT be coupled with zhonyas and literally can be broken by just about anything but if its not broken then believe me it will be flashed out of or dashed out of.

But honestly the above paragraph is neither here nor their. The real reason I bring up nunu is because of a engage I had with a Garen.

I held 310 armor as Nunu given just about every champ the opposing team had was AD, Im lvl 18 with 4,000 health and I found myself in a bit of a tussle with Garen while defending the last mid turret. This Garen was also lvl 18, held mainly all tank items with the exception of last whisperer.

Now this Garen proceeded to use his E. This one ability half healthed me. It genuinely brought me down to half health while I sat there under turret laughing at first at this Garens feeble attempt or so I had initially thought intll I began to become worried.

Then he Ulted and finished me off the rest of the way....HE FINISHED ME OFF THE REST OF THE WAY.

Let me simplify this for those of you who are still chuckling about the clever pun from earlier and might've missed this.

Nunu lvl 18, 310 armor. Garen tank build lvl 18, last whisperer. E, R, Nunu dead.

How in the world is this okay?

I know people are going to comment on this thread and defend Garen. But in the face of this what leg can you stand on?

Like honestly a piece of me is posting this just for the asinine comments defending this as balanced. I really wanna see people get in Garens corner and mention how the 7 people in challenger don't play Garen because hes bad in that elo.

When I last checked he had the highest win rate, to no surprise to me.

You know what I change my mind don't even nerf him and as much as id love to see him deleted off the face of the planet, I will settle for a rework.

now I know with thousands of games in solo normal que that garen thrives in this environment. But can we just all come together this holiday season and revel in the BS that is Garen. The ability to just flash R then W out of the situation, maybe ge gets cc for a moment and then uses W to get out because unless you have extreme damage youre not gonna kill him while he runs past your entire team.

at the very least agree with me that its just a bad way for people to start this game. Garen is just so stupid strong and excels in way to many areas that the newbies that are broke in BE that give him a try and feel like the best player ever is not instilling the actuality of the game and are ultimately hindering the novices to the game. And I say this not blindly but because its been observed and tested.

I constantly check the toxic Garen profile after the game and see his match history. and all the games he didn't get top so no Garen for him they got completely stepped on. they don't hold the core strategy and smart engages in there mind simply from maining this champ.

and if you read this and cant find it in your heart to agree with me on this matter, then let us atleast come together on how bad fallout 76 is.

10 Comments

Critmaster Garen4 votes

you said it, that doesnt mean youre right.

youre not.

if anything, he needs a midgame or lategame buff. his power curve is almost constant 50% winrate until 30 minutes and then drops off hard towards 40. even when games dont generally last very long right now, he should have a distinct phase where hes really strong (either early or midgame) if hes weak past 30 minutes, or just be ok through the entire game.

OneMustFall2 votes

Phase Rush Garen is a little disgusting. Just want to drop that in there.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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Phase Rush Garen is a little disgusting. Just want to drop that in there.

its kindof cool that the stat shards make this a bit more viable now. have to experiment a bit more with this.

WhyEvenBotherFR1 votes

no comment on fallout 76 since I don't play the fallout series.

Ok, and your match history doesn't reveal the game in question so I'm assuming you were using another account. Since I can't get the match in question to draw actual analysis from to explain why he killed you I invite you to observe the following two skills completely and also to consider that last whisper has 10% armor pen so no you didn't have 310 armor. More like 279. Or if he was using mortal reminder or lord domms, you had 201 armor before any damage even began. Also after 4 strikes from judgment, he had an extra 25% armor shred applied to you. With all of the math that you have ahead of you, I'm sure you will find it perfectly plausible why you died. Especially if you were the villian. Also your mr was only 53 round about since you just admitted to building only armor. And Garen's ult is actually magic damage so you weren't reducing anything from that. It also dealt percent health, and quite a huge chunk at that.

Moving on to the first ability he used which was Judgement: "Garen rapidly spins his sword around his body for 3 seconds, dealing 0 physical damage to nearby enemies -- 14/18/22/26/30 plus 36/37/38/39/40% of his attack damage (+0), 0 times (increased by 1 every 3 champion levels) -- over the duration.Enemy champions hit by 4 spins lose 25% of their armor for 6 seconds.Judgment deals 33% increased damage when striking only one enemy.Cancelling Judgment returns cooldown equal to the remaining duration.Judgment can critically strike for bonus damage."

Passive: The enemy champion with the most recent kills is the Villain. Judgment and basic attacks against it deal an additional 1% of its maximum health as true damage. Active: Garen calls upon the might of Demacia to attempt to execute an enemy champion, dealing magic damage equal to 175/350/525 plus 28/33/40% of the target's missing health. Deals true damage to the Villain.

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

Assuming the Garen built somewhat typical, don't forget the Black Cleaver Armour shred on top of E. To my knowledge, they stack.

WhyEvenBotherFR1 votes

Agreed but the OP apparently said he only had last whisperer. I can't see it in his match history so i can neither confirm nor deny if BC was on the Garen.

Revananites1 votes

Okay so you're throwing out numbers! I didn't say I don't believe Garen can dish out that damage hence this entire post is me being annoyed that he can. also im pretty sure Nunu naturally passes 53 mr by lvl 18.

So what im gathering from your post is its okay a tank deleted another tank?

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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Okay so you're throwing out numbers! I didn't say I don't believe Garen can dish out that damage hence this entire post is me being annoyed that he can. also im pretty sure Nunu naturally passes 53 mr by lvl 18.

So what im gathering from your post is its okay a tank deleted another tank?

garen isnt a tank. juggernauts are carries.

does he have team engage or is he able to dunk on 5 people with his ult like nunu can? no.

his main strength is that he can 1v1 your ass. especially when youre the villain. nunu is stronger in a 5v5 in return.

WhyEvenBotherFR1 votes

Garen isn't a tank. He's more of a fighter. Bruiser if you will. Not the most mobile, but able to deal high amounts of damage while sustaining a hit. And no. Nunu has only 53 mr by level 18 if you don't augment him through items or runes. He will only have 53 mr. and yes it is ok for Garen to delete a tank depending on his build. Especially if you were the villian.

Baron Von Garen1 votes

"Garen holds a pocket warmongers" - At level 11 only when he's below 50% hp and is disabled by any damage source from champions. (Is useless in fights) " a silence that also cuts armor" - No, his E cuts armor, his Q is a silence

"mobility for days" - It's 30% [Fiora has a constant 50%, Camille has a double 40%] Plus Garen can only cast it one time and it does't go on cooldown until it is used, meaning if he doesn't use it, it's a base cooldown of 12.5s.

"a breed of tankyness and damage that I genuinely am struggling to find another champ to even relate it to" - Sion? Infinity edge/Conq/Fiora/Yi/Darius completely counter this (I'm assuming you didn't think you'd be able to 1v1 a juggernaut as nunu, like I really hope you don't believe that)

"as well as a true damage ult that is truly devastating" - Yes, it's a single target execution, that's what it's supposed to do. Plus it's only true damage if you're marked, which is clearly visible above your head, so it shouldn't be some huge shock if you die at 50% health from his ult instead of 40%.

Garen has clearly defined strengths and weaknesses. The only other top laner that can be kited harder than Garen is Mordekaiser, and how many times do you even see Mord played, much less top lane?

He's easily kitable, if he cannot get his one target to execution range with his two abilities that are on a very long cooldown compared to most champions in this game, he basically dies.

He's really good at 1v1s against any non-bruiser champs, even moreso when they're marked. I don't like the villain mechanic, I think it needs to be removed/reworked.

I'm assuming you were marked because you aren't gonna get 50-60% - 0% by a base Garen ult. So you were marked by a Garen, a juggernaut, and stood on top of him while he threw out all of his damage (which shouldnt have happened as nunu, you can just use your E to hit him once or twice and he shouldnt be getting on top of you) and now you think he's op.

" they don't hold the core strategy and smart engages in there mind simply from maining this champ." It's actually quite the opposite, and it's a pretty poor attitude to call people stupid because they main Garen. Garen isn't op, he's far from it. Try getting to diamond by maining Garen, it's quite the hell of a challenge. He has a very low skill ceiling, and because he isn't op, he isn't picked much at all the higher elo you go. Why? Because he isn't op, and even if you're good at him, he isn't op. Garen helps you learn the basics of the game (lane management, csing, paying attention to ganks, when to split/not split) because his kit is very simple and requires that you learn these basics if you ever hope to get into higher elo.

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