Small Singed Changes Coming to PBE Soon!

RiotSmashGizmo·Oct 10, 2014·43 votes·22,433 views

Hey guys, SmashGizmo here from the Live Gameplay team, and I'm here to just give you guys a little heads up on some Singed changes coming to PBE soon. We don't think Singed needs a big push to make his way back into the mix in top lane, so we're looking at some small scale changes, both to give him something new and cool to do and to give him a little nudge up in power. The main changes we're looking at here are:

When Singed Flings an opponent into his Mega Adhesive, they are snared for 1 second
Slight buff to rank 3 Insanity Potion stats bonus

The first change is about adding some cool thematic utility to Singed and opening up some big play-making potential when he gets creative with comboing his abilities. We like the core stuff that Singed is doing and we didn't really want to change that too much, but we wanted to give him some new ways to think about his E and W usage and reward players for using them well together. The second change is just a slight nudge up to his late game effectiveness, as Insanity Potion's rank 3 isn't quite as noticeable in the late game as the earlier ranks are in the early-mid game.

Also, Singed is receiving these kit changes in tandem with some visual changes! The model and textures for all of his skins have been updated, so you can look all spiffy as you run by people and throw them onto disgusting puddles of goo.

103 Comments

StrikeZoneOct 10, 201441 votes

Give him MR per lvl and put tenacity back on his ULT

nerfed him last year when you took away the ghost power up and the year b4 that when force of natures and leviathens was removed... Not to mentchin all the intentional nerfs...

InSingedWeTrustOct 10, 20145 votes

This so much.

Dryad SorakaOct 10, 20147 votes

Give him MR per lvl and put tenacity back on his ULT

nerfed him last year when you took away the ghost power up and the year b4 that when force of natures and leviathens was removed... Not to mentchin all the intentional nerfs...

Yeah seriously no one wants to play against that.

StrikeZoneOct 10, 201410 votes

Yeah seriously everyone counters singed he needs something.

in laning phase he gets poked down, or destroyed by ap. any time he goes in on someone they just use there gap closer to get back to tower...

Yandere CarryOct 10, 20148 votes

tell that to SirhcEz or InvertedComposer

StrikeZoneOct 10, 201411 votes

a few really good people dont put him in the same teir as the rest of the top lanners

Yandere CarryOct 10, 20146 votes

And a bunch of baddies don't determine if a champ is weak.

StrikeZoneOct 11, 20147 votes

No the lack of him being picked in competitive play determines a champ is weak.

Like singed.

Yandere CarryOct 14, 20142 votes

Singed was picked at worlds.

StrikeZoneOct 15, 20141 votes

1st time singed pick...

compared to the other top, maoaki, with a pick ban rate 90% (47/52 ban pick rate)

god forbid we make any other champs viable.

Janna pick/ban rate 63.5% (33/52) Kha pick/ban rate 86.6(45/52) J4 pick ban rate 25%(13/52) nami 46.2(24/52)

dont forget singed at that 1.9%(1/52) ban pick for singed tho

Yandere CarryOct 15, 20141 votes

The fact is that he WAS picked. How many top laners Haven't been picked this worlds? How many haven't been picked during the last two? Singed IS viable. When a champ IS viable, there's no reason to arbitrarily buff them when there are multiple other champs far below the line.

AnkanOct 10, 201411 votes

It is really unfair to bring up the greatest Singed players and just because they can deal with all the hard and different matchups, we throw all the rest of the players with less experience under the bus. For beginners, Singed probably has one of the hardest lane phases in the game. Singed also has serious problems in the lategame due to his aged kit and how he can't cope with all the new champs with their fancy utility. I have over 1500 Singed games in Diamond 1 over the course of 2 seasons and I have seen him change. Not only did he lose his tenacity, but other crucial items got nerfed on him. Since he has no ranged abilities (more than the slow) and no gapclosers, he is left to being more or less useless in teamfights against a coordinated team that can call out focus, which is why we will never see him as a toptier competitive toplaner.

Yandere CarryOct 10, 20143 votes

He was played successfully at worlds last year and this year. Of course there will be the top 2 or 3 top laners, but that's how it is. Don't expect buffs/nerfs immediately as someone falls out of favor.

AnkanOct 10, 201411 votes

He was played at Worlds by one player once and he is famous for his Singed. And to be honest, Looper could have played Janna top and they would have still won. It was Samsung vs TSM after all.

Rew711Oct 10, 20148 votes

I've also seen that they are giving him a Visual Update with a new splash and updated textures to all skins and his main.

junglerboy16Oct 10, 20142 votes

Well duh, that is what they posted this thread to tell us lol.

Rew711Oct 10, 20141 votes

But have you seen it? That is my question.

SirLapseOct 11, 20142 votes

Proxy Singed would become way more anti-fun than he already is. Seriously, no. He might need help in an area or two but that is NOT the right focus.

StrikeZoneOct 11, 20147 votes

how would having MR make him anti fun or help him proxy? god forbid you give him a fighting chance ageist an ap hero.

or tenacity on his ult...mundo has tenacity on his ult and his ult heals him more then double what singed heals for, munods also has a ranged poke and slow.

champs like mundo make singed useless he cant even catch him to do any damage with a 3 second cooldown on his slow. the amount of champs that can kite or counter singed is unfun.

All ap tops, all ranged champs, any champ with poke, slows, gap closers that makes playing singed unfun.

SirLapseOct 11, 20142 votes

That doesn't suddenly make it more fun against people who aren't familiar with how Proxy Singed works. Tenacity ensures that he gets to freely run away from enemy teams trying to pincer him on his proxying, unless done fairly early into the game.

Singed isn't so bad that he doesn't counter people at all. I understand that you believe he needs help but Proxy Singed is literally one of the most annoying strategies in the game. Champions don't have to be made to counter everyone.

And last I checked, you're supposed to make enemies follow Singed, not suddenly make him a duelist or tank takedown.

StrikeZoneOct 12, 20144 votes

Your argument is not really fair. he would only have tenacity while his ult is up. so gank him after you make him use it. Singed also runs away from ganks like mundo, hecrum or any champ who has a gap closer like Ren, shen or rengar. the only diffrence is he doesnt have tenacity or a gap closer.

Further more if you dont know how porxy singed works maybe you shouldn't be playing at the lvl your playing at. its not the singeds fault you dont know how to play the game. thats like saying Kayle should be neft because you dont know how to play ageist her.

Singed doesnt counter anyone, but he is countered by everyone, one reason he needs a buff. a champion that doesn't counter anyone shouldn't be countered by almost all top laners and all meta champions. One reason proxy farming even came around was because of the problem singed coudlnt fight people in lane.

It would be nice during lanning phase that he could actually fight someone who isnt a dualist or able to not get kited by all the adcs and any champion with a slow, stun or snare, or one that has a gap closer. god forbid you be able to do something in a team fight ageist a good adc.

SirLapseOct 12, 20141 votes

You're freakin joking if you're telling me my argument isn't fair. I've seen Proxy Singed basically warp games into a catch the Singed effort. The cooldown at lv6 with 40% CDR is 60 seconds. And it lasts for 25 seconds.

He'll be able to cast that every time he comes to split push over and over. And it's annoying. I've seen plenty of Singed games turn into unfair battles because proxying is something Singed can do. Telling me that I shouldn't be playing at the level that I'm playing at...you're using insults to counter an argument for an anti-fun strategy Singed can do?

Singed + Rylai's + other tank items makes Proxy Singed almost impossible to stop once he gets going. The goal is to shut him down early, which requires teamwork. Some teams don't know how to stop Proxy Singed and that's not going to make the strategy any less toxic.

Doesn't counter anyone? Bro you ever use Singed vs. Fiora or any melee top laner that actually need to use autoattacks to get you? With tanks in the top lane being popular Singed has fallen out of popularity. It doesn't suddenly mean he sucks. Meta doesn't define who sucks and who doesn't, it just defines what people want to abuse.

Singed is meant to tank in teamfights, flip people, and slow them. With plenty of tank champions who have better utility in top lane, and with APs being ranged masters who bust up melees (Ryze), Singed is just not a viable pick for most occasions. Doesn't mean he needs to be borderline unkillable like in the older seasons. That's not how you improve game health.

StrikeZoneOct 12, 20144 votes

Wtf are you talking about, who has 40 cdr at lvl 6? even is someone did, they would do no damage and have no tankyness. Your argument is a joke.

If you dont know how to play agiest a startagy then your obviously playing at a higher lvl then you should be at.

By the time Singed has rylais and other tank items the time for him to be proxy farming should be over. Further more Proxy farming is a high risk, high reward strategy. From my experience ive seen it hurt more than it helps. Alot of champs can also proxy farm...most top lanners can. The rest of your argument in the 3rd paragraph is about one team not using teamwork, in a team game to shut down one players early game. If you dont know how to do something you should learn, singed was only force to learn to proxy farm because of being unable to lane ageist top lanners. Once again most top lanners can proxy farm.

Meta champions are the champions that the highest elo players are picking over and over because they are currently the best champions in the game.

Singed is meant to tank in teamfights, to bad thats all he can do because he cant catch the adc who is kitting him the whole time with tons of cc on him. Who is talking about making him borderline unkillable? Mundo is not unkillable and he has the same tenacity and the same MR per lvl.

You cant frist pick a singed because his coutners are so bad that it makes playing in lane unfun. The meta has changed because of nerfs, buffs and new characters being released. When was the last champion that was released with out a gap closer. Safety is only one click away. Or you can just get red buff and kite him all up and down the teamfight and kill him.

Only have 4 or 5 viable people per lane is unfun and a bad way to improve the game. Most singeds dont even use Proxy farming anymore.

PtarlorrOct 10, 201413 votes

This is the best news I've heard all week! :D

A new model and some kit cohesiveness yes pls! Was wondering how far up he was on the VU list and everyone keeps bringing up Morde and Taric when it comes to pizza feet. Nice to see you messing around with him!

Raid Boss MordeOct 10, 20142 votes

This is the best news I've heard all week! :D

A new model and some kit cohesiveness yes pls! Was wondering how far up he was on the VU list and everyone keeps bringing up Morde and Taric when it comes to pizza feet. Nice to see you messing around with him!

Mordekaiser next please :D

RexSaurOct 10, 20149 votes

Honestly as someone who has played singed A LOT in the past :

While that does sound cool i dont think it'll help him too much, sounds something a little too much situational/only really useable in team fights (where he is fine already).

Can he get mr p/lvl too please?

And atleast reduce his fling mana costs since it still has the pre-nerf cost (damage went down/mana cost didnt).

Basically what im saying is that he needs some power back in lane.

ThryaleOct 10, 20147 votes

Big request on his ult: please remove the mana cost. It makes little sense that a spell that provides mana regen costs 150 whopping mana to cast. it takes almost 5 out of the 15 secs just to regen the lost mana. Not to mention it also makes it difficult for singed's to use when low in order to get more to continue a chase or get out of dodge.

YfrappefortOct 10, 20146 votes

Big request on his ult: please remove the mana cost. It makes little sense that a spell that provides mana regen costs 150 whopping mana to cast. it takes almost 5 out of the 15 secs just to regen the lost mana. Not to mention it also makes it difficult for singed's to use when low in order to get more to continue a chase or get out of dodge.

I would very much request this as well. It's frustrating when you are low on mana in lane and you can't even use your ult to actually use the mana regen...it makes no sense.

That and MR per level would put Singed back in a good place I believe. Adding the tenacity back on his ult might be too much.

SingedlifeOct 11, 20147 votes

Hello everyone and SmashGizmo! I am singedlife/hey its tiptup from oce, and I consider myself to be a very experienced singed main/player. I was previously challenger(with 75%, win rate, 4.5kda, however I stopped and account decayed) and (whilst lolskill isn't entirely accurate) I was ranked number 1 singed in all regions (an achievement nonetheless) http://imgur.com/0AXrrvE. Due to the shift in meta, ryze, riven, lulu, gnar, rumble being top tier top laners (from the previous renekton, shyvana, rengar, mundo, jax meta) and the popular/strong botlane picks; janna, nami, morgana, braum, adc; trist (knockback and jump), lucian (ult+dash), corki (huge gap closer) have kits that have caused singed to suffer significantly. The issues singed suffers from specifically are his pushing into proxying/roaming ability as new top laners bully too harshly and have kits that kite/cc (lock him down) too well. Also his proxying and team fighting ability has been indirectly effected to a great extent due to the nature of the mobility/cc/range in the current meta. Champions like morgana, janna, lucian, tristana have kits that when used properly, really negate initiations and singed's team fighting ability. To address these issues, singed requires a tenacity buff on his ultimate and mana reduction on mega adhesive early ranks (top laners are typically cdr based with no mana, those that are do not suffer like singed early). The tenacity buff will assist singed's proxying and team fighting ability as heavy cc and kite/ranged kits are strong in this meta. The mana reduction on mega adhesive is necessary for singed to become viable in lanes with lulu, ryze, gnar, rumble, jayce, as it is too costly to use and their kite/cc heavy kits make it impossible to apply pressure to be able to cs effectively or have a threat to get to them at all.

TLDR; previous Challenger/Rank 1 singed world. Shift in meta has indirectly nerfed singed significantly, popular/current meta champions dominate singed in lane and team fighting with range/high mobility/high cc (them tornadoes and snares....). Addressing these issues, singed requires a tenacity buff on his ultimate and mana reduction on mega adhesive in early ranks. GO RIOT FOR SINGED BUFFS/REWORK!! #Singedlife

SiachiOct 10, 20145 votes

This isn't completely relevant, I do have to wonder if you plan on looking at his lore during this: He still has the "Warwick is an Alchemist" lore that was retconned, and it's apparently been that way for a while.

OH NO ITS LU BUOct 10, 20144 votes

Don't forget to map his laugh to a single key so you can spam it at your opponents as you run away.

Tenth LeperOct 10, 20144 votes

I just logged on to say how happy this makes me, and how much I appreciate your remembering an old and uniquely fun champion

SkirenOct 10, 20144 votes

While it's not bad that he's getting some buffs, I don't really think that's good enough... I mean there's still the fact that Singed is THE ONLY(imo) champion in the entire game that cannot combat ranged champs in his lane(coughTeemocough) at ALL, and while Singed's whole "don't chase" thing is great and fun and all, it's ONLY for defensive play, you can almost never engage on the enemy team, or A enemy at all, as Singed, not without blowing summoner spells. I really like Singed as a character, I do, but he just doesn't work well enough I think. I honestly wish you'd do something more like what happened to Sion for an update of Singed.

Also, don't enjoy being so critical, and unrelated, but not a big fan of his new splash art either, it looks better all around of course, but it makes him look so much older and wrinkly, whereas I always felt that he wasn't that old and was pretty cool based on his voice.

StrikeZoneOct 10, 20145 votes

with azir and peole with so many gap closers and other escapes in their kit...singed just cant catch people or do damage to them in lane and in team fights people have so much peal and kite.

JapandroidOct 10, 20144 votes

RIOT. YOU HAVE MADE MY ENTIRE YEAR. I WILL BUY SO MANY SKINS NOW.

I MAIN SINGED, AND I AM SMILING SO MUCH RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU RIOT. I LOVE YOU. I WILL NEVER QUESTION YOUR DECISIONS AGAIN.

StrikeZoneOct 10, 20144 votes

there is a glich on singed flip after the latest patch

KNHTOct 15, 20141 votes

I had the same problem i think, when you flip instead to go flying back it just jump on the position.

Best Donger KROct 10, 20144 votes

I hope this will be seen by the team that did the VU for Singed because there are some little things that they (in my opinion) messed up translating from the current skins in to the new skins.

First off I do love that you guys redesign the old content to fit the current changes to the game. But now you are updating Singed which is one of my favorite champs and I own all his skins (Including the Riot Squad Singed) I have some comments about the changes. I'll list them per skin and hope you guys agree and will change them (especially the once for Riot Squad since it's such a rare skin and my favorite)

Riot Squad Singed:

what i liked in the old skin was that the riot parts were really white and that looked really good. I'm talking about the fist icon on the shoulders and the front of the shield where it says Riot that bar has to be white too! There is another fist logo on the back of his tank which I think would look better being white too.
the second thing i think got lost in translation are the brown pockets in front of him. They should be black! That brown doesn't fit the skin in any way!!!
Last thing is the way the shield looks I really like the old one but I can see you guys might want to change it. if you guys REALLY want to keep the new one that is fine but please put back the black riot letters, the white fist above the window and make the outlines white.

Hextech Singed:

You guys started off good (asuming you started at the bottom ;) ) but then you guys changed the brown and the shoulders to goldish and it look horrible. Please change that color back to the brown it used to be or continue with the brown that is on the bottom part but please get rid of this horrible color.

Surfer Singed:

First off the surfboard: Please make him hold it under his arm again not as a shield, make the art on the bottom of the board again not just plain white.
Secondly the Color: Please get the blue of the shirt back this one just looks faided. I do like the new color of the trousers and the red straps.
And the last change would be for the tank on his back, in the old one it had a really big purple bar which looked good, now it is a really small barely visable stripe and i would like to see it a little bigger. + the taric picture isnt as clear as the old one which is a huge part of the skin.

Mad Scientist Singed:

There isn't much I would do differently the only thing I would advice is for the purple tanks on his back. On the old one there was this little orange things on there, I would like to see them make a little logo or a skull or smth that makes it look dangerous. Since there are a lot of those chemical warnings in the lab.

Augmented Singed:

Like the Mad Scientist the change looks good although I really prefer the black/darker armor/mask on the top half of the skin. That is something that has to be changed to fit the theme again.

I really hope this will get seen and by the team that did the VU for Singed and that they will do some of these changes. Especially the Riot Squad Singed because the old one looks so much better in the way it is now and that's not what the VU is for.

MrRazzleDazzleOct 10, 20143 votes

The most surefire way to get people playing Singed is with a new skin.

Beekeeper Singed Plz.

MortifyMoreOct 10, 20143 votes

Hey Riot, I was looking at the Surfer Singed skin on the PBE (Surr@20) and I noticed his surfboard is no longer being hold, it's just like his shields. Can you fix this because it looks really damn wonky?

GengarBotOct 11, 20143 votes

As a singed 1 trick pony and have been since season 1, I'd like to add my own input; I like the changes so far and these will help a lot but I feel it wont be enough to see him in competitive play (I know looper used him once) or even see him a lot in solo que. I think giving him tenacity back to his ultimate is the best choice because he doesn't have any gap closers besides speed which is very counterable, that seems fair cause its just a little too much for singed to get his job done there are just too much cc teams bring against this guy even the lowest slow will prevent singed from flinging a target, for a champion that's speed based he should have some type of mitigation to help. As for mana costs I think they are fine cause you normally end up getting mana anyways maybe the early costs could be lowered a bit cause as of right now I find myself oom after 1 fling early game. Then MR per lvl would be nice as well I know you justified against it cause of his ultimate giving him free resists and I actually agree but it wouldn't put him over the top if it was given to him cause when I think of singed you think of really good late game (but I think right now he is best mid game then falls off into a peel tank late) imo his late isn't even that great I find I lose most of my games when late game happens and I win most during mid game. I'm not saying do all of these these are just thoughts and suggestions. What you have now on pbe is great but the tenacity on ult is the only thing that will make him better or at least reduce slows by a lot at least so teams have to use hard cc on him at least, as of right now more speed is good but that just means slows work even harder against him cause all slows are % based.

MansanaOct 10, 20142 votes

Wouldn't "rooted" be the proper term. When I think of snare I think of a magical barrier around you. Sticky adhesive should be able to root you to the ground not snare you. Just my common sense critiquing away.

junglerboy16Oct 10, 20141 votes

They mean the same for all intensive purposes, and being snared in sticky goop makes more sense than being rooted in it imo.

ArveanorOct 10, 20145 votes

Hope this doesn't come across as overly critical, cause I really just want to help inform you for the future, but "all intensive purposes" is just a mistaken way of saying "all intents and purposes" given how similar they sound when spoken aloud.

So yeah... now you know..

Hydration BotOct 13, 20142 votes

Hey guys, just a cool idea for the "Mega Adhesive" Snare thing. Could you make the effect globally available by knock-ups and misplacement's and not just Singed him self with his fling? For example a "Lee sin kick" into the Adhesive, would also snare them if they land in it? What do you think?

EdasichOct 20, 20142 votes

He needs more voice lines.