https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/cc3e1r/shyvana_is_considered_a_balanced_champion_with/ But shaco is considered too strong. Ap shyvana definitely needs some kind of balancing, and shaco seriously needs some kind of rework or buffs. EDIT: Yeah, i just played it, this is busted.
Hotarµ8 votesShyvana was 15/2 with 4 full items + boots. She had 32 magic penetration, you had 0 magic resist or bonus health.
I'm not saying AP Shyvana is perfect, but you probably shouldn't use this as an example.
Suh Shi2 votesWhere was the counterplay options? She did that every 5 seconds and insta killed everyone on my team.
Mavëríck2 votes[{quoted}](name=Suh Shi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u5v84Nny,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-07-12T00:06:33.499+0000)
Where was the counterplay options? She did that every 5 seconds and insta killed everyone on my team.
"MUH COUNTERPLAY! REEE!"
Where was your negatron cloak or Mercs?
THE GAME IN QUESTION
https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/3091796600/212263828?tab=overview
There are so many misplays and bad building on you and your team's part I'm not sure where to begin.
Suh Shi2 votesIm an assassin, where am i supposed to fit the Negatron and stuff into my build :(
ModWulf Helhammer3 votes
Suh Shi2 votesShaco is too weak to fit those items into his build until his 4th or 3rd item. You have to get tiamat and duskblade before you can get anything else. Then afterwards, you almost certainly need something like trinity force or youmuus ghostblade because shaco deals literally no damage.
ModWulf Helhammer3 votesYou deal even less damage when you're dead before you've done anything.
Suh Shi2 votesthe problem is that raw damage doesnt give shaco damage because he only deals damage with autos, look at his abilities, the scaling is not there.
Tecness02 votes[{quoted}](name=Suh Shi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u5v84Nny,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-12T00:30:14.761+0000)
Im an assassin, where am i supposed to fit the Negatron and stuff into my build :(
HexDrinker into Maw, or Scimitar, or both. Could also just go for hp and get Steraks. However, if you're complaining about an ability that does 220 (+0.7 ap) at max rank with a cd of 8 seconds, on a champion that only has 2 ap ratios in total, wait until you meet a veigar who has a Q which at max rank does 230 (+0.6) with a cd of 5 seconds.
Mavëríck2 votes[{quoted}](name=Suh Shi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u5v84Nny,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-12T00:30:14.761+0000)
Im an assassin, where am i supposed to fit the Negatron and stuff into my build :(
Suh Shi2 voteslike wait what... if she gets 4 items we just surrender?
Mavëríck2 votes[{quoted}](name=Suh Shi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u5v84Nny,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-07-12T00:10:50.782+0000)
like wait what... if she gets 4 items we just surrender?
No. You guys were building armor as a team because they were a bit AD heavy. That was fine. Where you fucked up was not focusing down that Shyvana. Her tankyness suffers considerably when going straight AP like she did. I get that we all think we are solo Q legends all the time in Gold, but you guys were so split up and not focusing or dropping CC on the dragon! Your Vi and Brand coulda locked Shyv down then turned on the rest of the team more easily.
Suh Shi2 votesYou can't focus someone who takes out 80% of your health in 1 q at 15 minutes. We cant get on her because its a range spell, and after it hits it burns the ground so you can't stay there. You can't seriously tell me that the gameplay there is healthy.
The Ecdysiast4 votes[{quoted}](name=Suh Shi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u5v84Nny,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-07-12T00:10:50.782+0000)
like wait what... if she gets 4 items we just surrender?
Yes. If ANYONE gets 4 items while your team all have 1-2, you're gonna die to them dude. If YOU had 4 items, the enemies would be dying just as quickly to you.
Like, at least try to have something that actually supports the point you're trying to make. But providing evidence that is 100% against you? That's just silly.
Suh Shi2 votesNah dude, i cant do that kind of damage as shaco wth...
The Ecdysiast2 votes[{quoted}](name=Suh Shi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u5v84Nny,comment-id=0000000100010000,timestamp=2019-07-12T01:04:40.491+0000)
Nah dude, i cant do that kind of damage as shaco wth...
Well maybe you can't, but people who know how to play Shaco can.
Suh Shi2 votesactually... no... shaco is outclassed by every assassin in the game.
ZephyrDrake1 votes[{quoted}](name=Suh Shi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u5v84Nny,comment-id=000000010001000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-12T02:07:53.198+0000)
actually... no... shaco is outclassed by every assassin in the game.
Do you have anything that supports this? Or are you just talking for the sake of talking?
Suh Shi2 votesThe only noes with lower win percentages are qiyana, akali, and leblanc. Akali is still quite broken, and i think qiyana is stronger than her win percentages states, even from riot they have said that as well. Leblanc, i will admit, is probably worse than shaco.
Hotarµ6 votesNo, as Mavëríck said, you build accordingly and focus her. The only person on your team who had any MR was Jax with his Merc Treads, Vi bought a Negatron Cloak 2 minutes before the game was over so that wasn't really going to make a difference.
Shyvana has two options, go AD/tank or squishy AP. Even when building things like Morellos, Rylai's, and Liandry's, Shyvana will still have little in the way of bonus armor/MR. She's super susceptible to focusing and your team had some tools that could have been used to lock her down.
Also, side note, it looks like you were playing Shaco ADC, which is problematic in itself. Not saying you can't play off meta (because I do it from time to time) but if you were a regular ADC you could have shredded her.
Suh Shi2 votesif i walked up to auto her as an adc, she wouldve insta killed me the same way!
Suh Shi2 votesI should show you a clip of me as 17-2 shaco, and i deal no where near that kind of damage as a full AD assassin. Holy moly... Plus, countering shaco is just building core items...Zhonyas and tabis...
MiracleMorg943 votesWell duh of course. AD doesn't do as much damage as AP, that's common knowledge around here.
LordGeovanni3 votesThat happens with any full ap mage and you build no or less than 300 magic resist
Suh Shi2 votesLet me dedicate 3 items of MR to get 300 MR, wait... I don't have 3 items yet LOL!
LordGeovanni1 votes[sg-miss-fortune] 300 Mr without 5 items you mental bruh