Oh whats this? A magical "gift" from the FUCKING DEVIL? Fucking akali autolocks top lane and feeds 2 games in a row, gives 2 pentas in a row, and blames their teammate because they're wood 80 and trying to climb to bronze 5. ofc their akali is better than ours.
Slythion8 votesI honestly just hate the insane amount of sustain she gets in lane. It used to be a "you can punish assassins until 6" relationship but with her it just feels like "enjoy your life til lv.6, good luck meaningfully punishing her before that"
I feel like I'm against a freaking Vlad sometimes
Are3 votesYou can literally undo the healing on her passive with 1 auto attack or 1 spell. The sustain isn't that much until she gets gunblade.
Your problem might be that Akali is starting boots or cloth which allows her 4 pots, but even then, with good aggression you can get her to pop those before level 4, depending on the champion you are playing.
Slythion2 votesIdk man, I usually play Xerath and Syndra and I watch her heal any poke I do to her back from just one minion wave under tower. It's quite depressing to watch my entire mana bar's worth of effort just healed back over the course of 7 waves
btw that wasn't me who downvoted you. I don't want this discussion going on with you thinking I'm some dude that downvotes anyone with a different opinion :(
Are1 votesShe doesn't heal that much unless she has gunblade. It's on a 9/8/7/6/5/4 CD (4s cd at level 9, and will not heal more than an auto's worth until gunblade.
I think the problem would be that the Akalis you face have 3 or 4 pots, which is pretty effective for mitigating poke.
Sh0ckb1ade Zed2 votesAkali is a peice of shit who kills your adc in 5 seconds by w R R q auto E flash outta that fucking teamfight. I mean, i main zed, but its not like you can CONSTANTLY harass your opponents and win every trade by just R q auto W
PapaGreg213 votes[{quoted}](name=Sh0ckb1ade Zed,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tjj2EoNX,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2017-08-26T03:44:00.722+0000)
Akali is a peice of shit who kills your adc in 5 seconds by w R R q auto E flash outta that fucking teamfight. I mean, i main zed, but its not like you can CONSTANTLY harass your opponents and win every trade by just R q auto W
Akali's R does very little damage as does her E. Her new kit makes it so that she has to do her damage with autos to really hurt you with her new passive and an auto Is the only thing that will proc her q. Before the rework she could blow you up very quickly with her ultimate. Now you have to stand there like a goon and let her hit multiple auto attacks for her to succeed. Maybe you should play her yourself to understand her strengths so that you can succeed against her
Sh0ckb1ade Zed1 votesI have, and even as someone who's played akali before, shes total BULLSHIT You win every trade with 2 autos, and you heal with cloth or d shield or just any FUCKING START. Shes literally braindead.
Are2 votesAny champion who builds damage can burst your ADC and flash out. Any assassin is supposed to kill your ADC in under 5 seconds. Even mages can do that, and from a distance.
Akali shouldn't have gunblade right as she hits 6, and she shouldn't be fed enough it levels 7 and 8. If she uses shroud she's vulnerable for 10 seconds.
As a Zed main, you have the tools to harass her (given that she does not have a gunblade, but even then it's still doable), and all-in her once she's about half.
Sh0ckb1ade Zed1 votesare you serious? yes you have the advantage pre-6 but after that all she does is make you use your W and then just does the combo over again and makes you use R. Maybe ignite will help, but all she has to do is R to your minion and flash, And then look at you? you have flash but no W, because of no energy, No r, she made you use it. so you cant catch up and also you used ignite to see her in her shroud. Fuck akali
AFK Push2 votesIt wouldn't take an akali 5 seconds to kill a squishy that she is ahead of lol.
HeimerLmao2 votesIt wouldn't take an Akali 3 seconds to kill a squishy if she's not 0/10 double lol.
General Esdeath 5 votesAnd then she Q AA's you to proc thunderlords and wins the trade
Are2 votesIf you're not a melee champion, there isn't a reason why Akali is procing Q on you pre-6 unless your positioning isn't good. You can whack her a bit when she's retreating or during the 10 seconds that shroud is down.
General Esdeath 3 votesYou mean like 90% of top laners? And don't give me the "don't pick melee into her" because she can easily be last pick.
Are2 votesTop lane champions are not pushovers to Akali. If you are being passive and freely taking hits from Akali, that's on you. Most top lane champions have the ability to trade back with Akali, especially so when she burns shroud. You should never leave a trade without dealing damage.
It's also easier for top lane champions to purchase MR and HP. An early hexdrinker/spectre's cowl will do wonders.
General Esdeath 2 votes
Are1 votesYes, but you can purchase that as well.
With a doran's shield, Akali will only have 1 pot. If you get a really good trade off and get her down below half, she'll be forced to use that pot and then becomes quite a bit more vulnerable. Once she uses the pot, assuming you've started other items (Long Sword 3, Corrupting Potion, ETC), you have more dominance over her because of your pot advantage.
You over grossly overstating the regen factor on Doran's shield.
General Esdeath 2 votesNot really, as soon as you hit her she can W, hide in it while the passive heals her, then Q you, AA, hide in the shroud again.
Are1 votesWhen she W you back off, and then force a fight when it ends. If she plays scared then you can manipulate wave in your favor and deny her CS.
Her passive, only applies on autos. It does not passively heal her. Once again, you can negate her passive's heal with any auto attack or spell pre-gunblade.
It's not as hard as you make it sound.
General Esdeath 2 votesIt lasts for 8 seconds for her to pop in and out (or use Doran healing) with an 18 second CD without any CDR. With CDR runes she can do it more often. She can just hide until the passive is up, and don't forget the passive healing on Doran's Shield without any damage being taken.
Are1 votesRunning CDR runes/mastery isn't optimal on Akali, so I doubt you'll be seeing an Akali with 10% CDR fresh in the game.
Akali is supposed to excel is short trades and bursts, that's what shroud is for. You back off when she's in shroud, and try to force trades when it's down. A 10 second window is enough to deal with that. Some champions have the ability to damage her in shroud anyways. Shroud isn't a cure-all.
Doran's shield regens 6HP every 5 seconds. Are you really telling me that you can't out-harass that? It takes 35 seconds to regen 42HP. Most champions' autos will deal more than 42 damage.
General Esdeath 1 votesOptimal doesn't stop people at my elo :^)
Are1 votesIf she runs 10% CDR the window of opportunity goes from 8 seconds to 6.2 seconds which is still pretty decent for a trade to occur.
If Akali runs cooldown instead of AP or MR blues, it means that she deals less damage or she takes more damage. There are tradeoffs for it and you should take advantage of that, as well as the cooldown, which isn't that short anyways.
It's not hard.
Sh0ckb1ade Zed1 votesDoran's shield + 1 pot + passive + vamp scepter = Early game sustain and also has energy so she can keep poking you OVER AND OVER again and the only time she has to back is when she ganks. ofc she gets out every time
Are1 votesAkali rushes revolver or armseeker's; you rarely see an Akali rush vamp scepter if at all. The healing she gets from having a vamp scepter and passive is alright. You can still harass her down.
If you're talking constantly throwing Q, that's sub-par harass compared to most other champions you'll face in lane. A doran's shield helps with the base of Q1 only deals 35 damage every 6 seconds (rank 1).
If Akali blows shroud then she's really susceptible to ganks pre-6 (and even 6 in some situations bc the escape requires a dash target. It's not like Leblanc who has a free form dash). If you have a lockdown CC then she should be dead. If you're talking about mid lane, mid lane is a pain to gank for any champion because of the lane's length.
General Esdeath 3 votes"Oh this champ has a weak early game and a bullshit late game? What if we...buff her early game...and her late game!"
Escheton2 votesSame, except Vayne. Nightblue3, as well as Voyboy and likely a bunch of other streamers have been either picking or banning Akali lately, saying she is OP. Thus, you have a lot of inexperienced Akali players suddenly spamming your games looking to benefit.
Sh0ckb1ade Zed2 votesJust finished a game, their akali got fed ofc. Fuck riots matchmaking.
PePsiLemoNN2 votesgives 2 pentas
What
Sh0ckb1ade Zed1 votesyes, on my team twice, autolocked akali twice, and then that game and the game before she engaged for no reason, legit int; and then she said "yw, got them all together"
Gamer Gallade1 votesAkali is a nightmare but Pantheon is far far worse. That's my opinion. Because akali is relevant is almost any part of the game. Pantheon is oppressive as fuck in the early game and is complete garbage in late game. But the lethality items is something that makes his oppressive playstyle worse.
I honestly think Akali shouldn't get any buffs right now. And Pantheon should get nerfed into oblivion.
But that's mainly my opinion really.
Dingding1231 votesYou're in good company; I've disliked Akali in general since S1. Or whenever her release was.
AFK Push1 votesI had an akali in a game that went 36/36 she went in got a kill and died every time. She blamed us for not following up, but the whole team was fed af from constantly getting gold off her, since she was always worth something from getting a kill then dying. Assassin and ADC players have the worst attitudes, because that play style creates KDA players.
Ahri Baka1 votes[{quoted}](name=Sh0ckb1ade Zed,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tjj2EoNX,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-08-26T00:26:44.813+0000)
Oh whats this? A magical "gift" from the FUCKING DEVIL? Fucking akali autolocks top lane and feeds 2 games in a row, gives 2 pentas in a row, and blames their teammate because they're wood 80 and trying to climb to bronze 5. ofc their akali is better than ours.
OH BOY , I'm one of the nicest players you will ever meet in this game , literally I feel toxic when I lost my last match against her , I was lux , the first to pick , and then the enemy midlaner took akali , I never gave their akali a single kill , when their akali felt hopeless , she started roaming and going other laners and got fed , and guess what ? we lost and I'M TO BLAME FOR 0 SS EVEN THO I KEEP PINGING , LIKE HOW THE HELL DO I KEEP UP WITH AN AKALI ???????? she started 1 shooting me under tower at the end when my team fed her , she is an unstoppable monster , needs nerfs, seriously.
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Sh0ckb1ade Zed1 votesOh man oh boy, someone calling another one toxic for calling out those meta whores that feed every game but then they think in their head "This'll be fine, akali is op, someday i will carry the fuck out of everyone" Also, the part where you said "you aint no special snowflake", I never said anything about me being special. Do you not see the community complaining about akali?