One thing I often find is laners always pushing making it very hard for jg to help them. Other than this, what are some things that will make it easier for jungler to gank/help laners/bring out maximum impact- like "clear vision" or "engage before gank" sort of things.
That they will always disappoint me.
I play a lot of Nunu and Hecarim, ergo the typical advice of "clear out vision" or "start the fight for me" or "let them push in" doesn't really matter because powergankers like Nunu and Hecarim can easily force a gank even despite all of the above. Besides that, those little one line tips don't really do anything if your fundamentals are just plain bad.
I expect you to take my presence and snowball it into something meaningful. When I gank your lane and get a kill 3 times over, I don't care if I took the kill or not, you should be winning lane at that point especially if you're playing a stronger laning champ than the opponent. When I help you break down the tower, I expect you to rotate to a different lane and break another tower. When we pull off a successful gank really early into the game, you are helping me and I am helping you reset your lane so you get a freeze, making it easier for me to gank and easier for you to snowball a CS lead. Stop pinging me and crying about lost CS. If your laner is sitting in my Jungle, I expect you to help me or shove your lane.
Macroplay. Those "little tips" that you're asking for don't mean anything because if laners had good macro, they'd already be implementing those tips or they won't need them. Despite this, and despite how much people like to complain about the impact of the Jungle role in games, it just seems like nobody knows what to do with what their Jungler gives them. I expect laners to understand the basic fundamentals of the early to mid game, and they're always disappointing.
i merely expect them to react to river skirmishes(if theyre in position to do so), and to collapse on bot/mid lane(when its possible). They typically dont. atleast half of Laners havent adapted to the game shifting from Laners being dependent on Junglers, to Junglers being dependent on Laners.
I've learned not to expect anything from laners, but if I were to prefer anything, it would be in no particular order:
None of these are absolute gank-makers or gank-breakers, but would be highly preferred and greatly appreciated by any jungler for sure.
Get a general idea of what junglers want to do in a game, and then do your best to support them.
i expect nothing from them tbh, not because "hurr durr laners BAD", just because with every lane position something can be done. Junglers aren't primary carries right now, so instead of laners playing around you, you need to play around laners positioning
Laner is hard pushing? Try to set up a dive, wait for countergank, set up a lane gank, or go for some counterjungling Laner is getting pushed? We can try to do a normal gank. Laner is in the middle on the lane? Normal gank, or try to get vision control in river/near enemy jungle entrances.
Obviously you're going to have some bad eggs who will push 24/7 without vision and complain about not getting any ganks, but i guarantee you, no matter how would you play around these, they would still whine. As a jungler, you cannot help all the laners anyway (unless a miracle happened and you're strongest player in the game)
As a laner i only expect them not to throw my lane yet they still manage to disappoint me :(
Not to have all three lanes lose before u get to my second camp or to my second buff
My top 4 are:
Take responsiblity for your own lane and LEARN HOW TO NOT DIE. In all respects -- getting ganked has nothing to do with me, getting killed as nothing to with me, no vision has nothing to do with me. I'm not a babysitter for your incapable ass.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not run up to the enemy when I ping I'm going to gank. I'm an Evelynn main and LAWD it grindrs my gears when I - an INVISIBLE CHAMP WITH HARD CC - get to the lane and the lane has pushed the enemy back to their tower. Now I've wasted time when. I could be getting exp.
Tell me if the laner has flash. Idgaf about other sums, but flash is super important. You see you laner all the time, you should know.
THE MOST ANNOYING THING: I continually have the highest vision score out if the entire team until like 30 minutes until the support starts to clear wards. Laners have got to start putting wards and clearing pinks. It's SO EASY to buy a 75g pink ward or even spend 150g on two. I know you're not gonna spend that gold on anything else, hoe.
I will give an arm and a leg for laners to actually understand how to lane. Even as high as Gold, people still don't know how to lane correctly. Laners need to learn how lane priority works, minion advantage, slow pushes, fast pushes, how to reset and how to freeze. They need to learn how to trade, when to trade, when to let opponents push, how to last hit under tower. Laners that go 0-5 before the lane phase ends do not know how to lane at all. Laners that get camped by the enemy jungler, don't know how to lane at all.
If you're complaining that I'm not ganking, it's probably because I'm behind or you're pushed up in lane constantly and that's why you're dying. I adore tank jungles, but they definitely have lower clear times than damage jungles before a cinderhulk (or tiamat on a few) which means if I'm constantly having to babysit lanes pre-six, I'm behind most of the game. On that note, if your team is doing well later game, lanes are pushing, and your Jungle is a level below most everyone on the team, don't take jungle farm if it's not red or blue. It's infuriating being half an item down on your team because you're letting them take kills when you gank while they're also taking your farm because they think they don't have anything better to do.
Here's my problem:
#When I lane, I simply don't exist to junglers. I can be mid..... under my own turret for 18-19 minutes straight..... and the jungler doesn't even cross my path. The other team's Hecarim and Lee Sin, ofc are..... and are happy to assist their mid in turret sniping me.
Or..... when a jungler does come, they come from MY SIDE, have no gap closers, fail every single gank, and then as compensation, clear 4-5 of my waves, stealing my cs, putting me behind, and giving the opponent freeze pressure.
#When I'm jungling: I'm equal opportunity to all lanes, irregardless of how they push. I'm generally a nonmeta jungler, so my picks actually work fine when the opponent is overpushed and under their own turret.
What I DO expect: -Do NOT try to help me with Drake 90% of the time. Most laners tell the opposing team exactly what is going on at drake, simply by walking/running to it to help. I specifically time objectives to where the opposing jungler cannot reach them in time to stop me, so when they flag laners of what I'm doing, that really pisses me off, especially when it's something like a Talon/Zed/Xerath/Caitlyn who take no risk in trying to snipe me.
-If I am pinging a gank, respond to it. Don't make the judgement that there are too many minions in the way; I plan my ganks AROUND minions (Junglers are generally more successful at sneaking up for ganks when a wave of aggro minions is possible, because laners feel safer from ganks). If you do NOT respond, you not only wasted my time, you potentially killed me, set me behind XP/gold opportunities, and generally told me you're an unskilled player, so I have no incentive to help YOU the rest of the game. (So don't go crying for assistance when you fubar my secured kills had you acted). P.S. **Assistance doesn't mean letting me tank all damage for 5-6 seconds before you try to secure the kill. **
-If I am getting invaded, ping a gank to enclose on the jungler (who generally is easy to triangulate) I expect laners to actually react. No. Don't bring your opposing laner with you when you come to kill the invader; But if your opposing laner is in a bad position to follow, or out of lane, FRIGGIN COME. By not coming, you're feeding my opponent free farm, deficiting my XP, making me less effective, probably giving them drake priority/herald priority. All of which are no-nos.
-Clear opponent Control wards.
Overpowered busted role meets inflated egos-->the thread.
I expect nothing from my laners anymore. At some point you just give up hoping they will do anything
well I expect them to int but I would like em to play like actual human beings that know their champion better than I do.
Conversely, I expect them to help secure my half at least if invaded and help minimize enemy control when possible.
To not feed 2-3 kills in the first 5 minutes.
What do I expect? Them to ignore my pings and feed. What do I hope for? People that have eyes and are capable of collapsing.
