Maybe it is still too early, maybe I am a noob, maybe it is needed at Tier 1 and Tier 2 to stop other roles from abusing it-but it is surely bad to have it on Tier 3 items.
Stop bullying supports with over nerfed supp items, xp nerf and encouraging 100-0 insta-delete assassin meta. [sg-janna]
What supports can farm 3 waves of minions effectively?
Nothing like beng punished for csing because my adc has to recall!
At 20 minutes a support with less than 80 CS gets full gold. If you have more than 80 CS as a support at 20 minutes then you're doing something wrong.
this whole pre-season has tuned down the high burst meta were in lol
to stop other roles from abusing it
Actually, unlike Tier 1 and 2, this time it's to prevent Supports from abusing it. When a player collects stacked waves in late, it bounces back. There is a safe collecting area on each side, players shouldn't go alone further than T1's ruins if they only intend to farm so people aware of that let the waves slowpush to them as much as possible to collect everything in one go in a safe position. If you take a wave attacking a tower (or about to and nobody's coming), that's ok, they forgot to defend and you replace them. The countermeasure on support items will still allow you to get full gold from that. If you just take waves out of that situation, not only you deprive someone of the wave, but you also prevent him to farm any subsequent wave until it goes aaaaaaaall the way to the other side and bounces aaaaaaaaall the way back to your tower.
I've seen a lot of Supports do that during this season, more than during any other, and that puts their mates behind for no real reason. That's something you can't see if you don't think it through, but it's harming the team a lot and I'm glad they chose to tune it down, that's discouraging it without having players to fully understand it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHlqw-5w2uQ
Yes I could have declined to farm those waves but the first would have crashed into the tower and the second needed to be cleared to set up teamfight in river. I was in a position earlier in the game where I needed to CS under tower due to my lane partner (yasuo) not being in lane much.
I don't think anti-poaching is the correct solution because this feels super bad when it happens. Meta enforcement sucks. The idea that a support should NEVER cs sucks. Sometimes you have to and you should not be punished for doing so.
EDIT: I'm also not sure the math works out. Patch notes state 20 CS per 5 mins. If its not some silly function of 5 minute increments you are allowed 4 CS per min. I was at 44 CS at 17 min which is ~2.6 CS per min. Not to mention at least 10-15 of those were relic procs.
Riot:
Late game no one should be not talking waves if needed.
Support should be able to go and clear a wave and get full Gold from it.
i'm fine with it, got pretty sick of supports roaming to my lane to farm it.
