New Lethality Formula

Spideraxe·Jan 12, 2017·2 votes·3,424 views

RiotAxes's comment from discussion "(After seeing Lethality item changes on PBE): The problem with the Lethality items aren't their passives/actives - The problem with the Lethality items is Lethality"

"We are currently testing: armor pen = Lethality * (0.6 + (Enemy Level / 45))

To put it another way - on live right now you get 40% of lethality as armor pen up front, the other 60% of lethality over 18 levels (based on target level). The new formula is 60% up front, 40% over 18 levels.

This formula could change further before 7.2 is released. We're not sure this is the exact correct number, but we are sure that it's more correct than what's on live and it'll be informative for figuring out next steps, if we need any."- Riot Axes

9 Comments

Zero Skill TankJan 12, 20173 votes

I kind of hope that they will not buff lethality AND actives on the same patch.

Considering that this affects Zed though, they most likely will.

SpideraxeJan 12, 20171 votes

I thought a head and asked Axes about this too and he said "I think we have a lot of room to buff before they become a problem. Would like to see them as more core on Assassins (right now a lot of them are doing anything they can to avoid having to buy these items), and I think even the most likely non-Assassin use cases tend to be really interesting rather than oppressive."

Zero Skill TankJan 12, 20171 votes

So last year will repeat itself eeh. Zed is weak for a patch or two, they buff all his itemization and SR turns into Zedmode for six months.

SpideraxeJan 12, 20171 votes

I hope it doesnt end up that way, but i think his assassin update changes made him less oppressive with his own items by removing self multiplying AD on W

Zero Skill TankJan 12, 20171 votes

Yes, giving him extra incentive to kill AD champions should shift his playstyle a bit away from "just keep bullying enemy mage". I kind of doubt it will matter much if rushing Edge of Night ever becomes a viable build path though.

Asayake 5150glowJan 12, 20171 votes

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I thought a head and asked Axes about this too and he said "I think we have a lot of room to buff before they become a problem. Would like to see them as more core on Assassins (right now a lot of them are doing anything they can to avoid having to buy these items), and I think even the most likely non-Assassin use cases tend to be really interesting rather than oppressive."

I played Full Lethality Wukong, went 1/6 early game and started oneshotting for no reason after I got my items.

Seems pretty oppressive to me.

I mean seriously, on Quinnmains they aren't buying more than 1 Lethality item due to 1 already being enough to oneshot squishies and more just being overkill. They're buying PD or Shyv after because they don't need the extra damage to kill their targets. Seriously, Lethality is a bit too strong on the champions I pay attention to. Not sure how bad they are on assassins though, but I do know that full Lethality Zed has an ult that does over 1k damage late game.

Valor ExpressJan 12, 20171 votes

WRONG they build Quinn full lethality as well , just try to play quinn with 1 lethality item you will deal nothing

Asayake 5150glowJan 12, 20171 votes

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WRONG they build Quinn full lethality as well , just try to play quinn with 1 lethality item you will deal nothing

Not exactly true, there's someone in diamond who talked about why getting more than 1 Lethliaty item is useless.

Check my OP.GG, I've had a 4.00 KDA with 0 lethality items (PD+IE+LDR+Mercurial), 3.8 KDA with Cleaver into Shyv into IE, and a 3.17 KDA with Youmuu's into Shyv into Duskblade.

All builds are perfectly viable. But I did better on the ones without more than 1 Lethaity item (full crit build I had bad cs because our Lux was dc'ing and I had to group to carry.)

PennsJan 12, 20171 votes

Nice first a new AD/MR item and AP assassin item nerfs, then AD assassins getting direct buffs, lethality items getting buffed and now lethality itself getting buffed as well... meanwhile AP assassins item 3070