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Why do I keep getting punished for OTHER peoples mistakes?

ELG Earth··2 votes·1,303 views

The past like 5 ranked matches i have done so good, for example : Last match i played as Miss fortune, i was 12/2/7 with 250 farm,** i ended up getting an S but we had such a crappy team that wouldn't work together that just flamed and tilted the whole time to the point where i couldn't even carry being that far ahead. Its ridiculous, like why do I keep getting punished** and losing LP when i'm doing everything i can to try and help my teammates get ahead yet they flame me for being bad even when i'm the only one doing good. Please someone explain? Because this is getting ridiculous.item 3070 [zombie-brand-facepalm]

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ELG Earth3 votes

^^^ i have to agree with XreadyPlayerOnex, cause ive been doing splended job, ill play Miss fortune and get way ahead, or ill play amumu and get way ahead, if i play miss fortune, the rest of the map feeds and only bot lane wins then gets dominated by the 300/0 darius. Or, if i play amumu, i get tons of assists but no one knows how to target no matter how many times i tell them so my 5 man ulti doesnt even matter.

xReadyPlayerOnex1 votes

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^^^ i have to agree with XreadyPlayerOnex, cause ive been doing splended job, ill play Miss fortune and get way ahead, or ill play amumu and get way ahead, if i play miss fortune, the rest of the map feeds and only bot lane wins then gets dominated by the 300/0 darius. Or, if i play amumu, i get tons of assists but no one knows how to target no matter how many times i tell them so my 5 man ulti doesnt even matter.

That's my point entirely and I'm glad you agree. There's absolutely nothing in game to show skill other than team wins/losses which isn't appropriate for gauging individual performance. The mastery program in this regard is a complete and utter failure. Even lolking and op.gg aren't acurate representations of peoples play as they too only truly incorporate the weight of the teams play. It doesn't account for your 6/4/7 score as you dying 3 times because you tried tanking for a 5v3 that 3 of your teammates literally ran from; these things just tally up scoreboards without any relevance to role, play style, team composition or teammate habits.. There ARE things in this game which make you better or worse than your teammates. There ARE play habits such as the ones you describe that make your performance in the game GREATLY different than that of your teammates. But these things are not currently quantified. That we're lumped in the same category as the 0/12 or the 2/1 garen that ran from every team fight and never took an objective when we won lane 4/1 with 150 cs and took the tower isn't acceptable in any way. Anyone stating different is full of something I can't say on the forums.

Giannox1 votes

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^^^ i have to agree with XreadyPlayerOnex, cause ive been doing splended job, ill play Miss fortune and get way ahead, or ill play amumu and get way ahead, if i play miss fortune, the rest of the map feeds and only bot lane wins then gets dominated by the 300/0 darius. Or, if i play amumu, i get tons of assists but no one knows how to target no matter how many times i tell them so my 5 man ulti doesnt even matter.

Well following your own logic, if the Darius went 300/0, why wouldnt he deserve to win?

LateCustomer2 votes

You're not gonna win every game. Sometimes you will play like a god and lose. Other times your team will carry you to victory, dragging you along, kicking and screaming all the way. These are the edge cases. the majority of your games, if you're that far ahead, there was PROBABLY something you could've done. Perhaps you could've overwhelmed your lane, then quickly moved to mid to push that down, taking full control of the bottom half of the map. That gives you dragon control, and two lanes.

Still, if you can CONSTANTLY and RELIABLY get scores like that, you WILL move up.

xReadyPlayerOnex2 votes

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You're not gonna win every game. Sometimes you will play like a god and lose. Other times your team will carry you to victory, dragging you along, kicking and screaming all the way. These are the edge cases. the majority of your games, if you're that far ahead, there was PROBABLY something you could've done. Perhaps you could've overwhelmed your lane, then quickly moved to mid to push that down, taking full control of the bottom half of the map. That gives you dragon control, and two lanes.

Still, if you can CONSTANTLY and RELIABLY get scores like that, you WILL move up.

That isn't true. I've constantly gotten scores like that and just lose... like today. Haven't had a real team queue up with me. Literally haven't had a real team. 6 games. Not a THING I could do. Sorry to say, but the statistics are simple, you've got friends and queue or you drop rank.

DemainaNyx2 votes

Yep. I just watched a video that talked about not blaming teammates, and I made the comment that, yeah, flaming teammates doesn't help, but sometimes it really is them losing the game for you cause only some champions can 1v5.

I just had a game as Brand support where my team decided that all AD was an acceptable decision (hence Brand support instead of Nami or something else). The enemy Blitzcrank was basically worthless in lane cause I just kept poking them down so much that engaging on us was a death wish. We start grouping and the enemy Veigar could basically one shot anyone on our team with his QR except our Sejuani jungle. The only teamfights we won were the ones where I basically full combo'd the Veigar and someone finished him off. If the support is the one who needs to eliminate the main targets, there's a problem. Granted, Brand is strong regardless of items, but still, I seemed to be the only one who tried to focus him out before the fights began. The enemy team even made the comment of something like "Brand v world" and "Brand tried to carry" in the end game chat.

That or another game I had, again as Brand support, where my Vayne just tunneled so hard all game. I would get a EQW combo off and get the enemy support down to 100 health and Vayne would run straight through the minion wave, tanking the enemy ADC and such trying to get that kill only to die without getting it. The enemy jungler showed for a few seconds and escaped my stun with something like 300 health. Then I watch Vayne leave lane and chase into the enemy jungle, running past their red buff and towards their base looking for the jungler only to get collapsed on by mid and support. Luckily the rest of our team was doing good so we won, but it took me dying to her tunnel vision twice before I just left her alone to farm at our tier 2 tower and went to help the rest of the team.

Giannox2 votes

Let me put it like this, you have to realise that the enemy teams are actual people just like you, not just champions in your game. So why is it that if they go 14-0 against your teamates, YOU deserve to win? Following your logic, the enemy team deserves to win.

KirynDawn1 votes

when you choos to play you are choosing to be part of a team through thin and thick. if your team loses you lose too. not complicated

xReadyPlayerOnex2 votes

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when you choos to play you are choosing to be part of a team through thin and thick. if your team loses you lose too. not complicated

I'm sick of losing purely because my team lost.

I want a version of ranked that my individual play is valued even if my teams horrific.

KirynDawn1 votes

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I'm sick of losing purely because my team lost.

I want a version of ranked that my individual play is valued even if my teams horrific.

Then league of legends probably isnt the game for you

xReadyPlayerOnex1 votes

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Then league of legends probably isnt the game for you

I don't know who you are or what big white horse you ran in on but you're hardly qualified to make such a statement. It's disgusting you even thought of this kind of absurdity.

KirynDawn1 votes

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I don't know who you are or what big white horse you ran in on but you're hardly qualified to make such a statement. It's disgusting you even thought of this kind of absurdity.

you think its disgusting for me to state that the game you want is not what league is? just to clarify.

xReadyPlayerOnex1 votes

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you think its disgusting for me to state that the game you want is not what league is? just to clarify.

Yes. There are thousands of ideas on this forum every day. You have the right to tell anyone they shouldn't play if they don't get one of those ideas? I'm sick of losing because my team doesn't do anything but die. It's terrible to work hard during a game and feel like the announcer is broken, stuck on repeat stating "a Teammate has died". I would very much like a change. And maybe league isn't the right game for me and if that new game existed, I'd go play it. But for you to tell me what I should and shouldn't do is egotistical, obnoxious and many other words I can't say on here.

And if you don't like that answer or can't understand it. Keep it to yourself cause it's obvious trolling.

LateCustomer1 votes

Well, perhaps you're not spreading your lead to your team enough? If you can get a lead in your lane and your other lanes need help, choose a lane to apply pressure to. Call your jungler down to bot for a four man gank. Spread the wealth. Going 5/0 in lane is meaningless if you don't roam and use that lead to beat down the other enemy laners.

Remember, it's a team game. If your team needs help, go help them.

ELG Earth1 votes

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Well, perhaps you're not spreading your lead to your team enough? If you can get a lead in your lane and your other lanes need help, choose a lane to apply pressure to. Call your jungler down to bot for a four man gank. Spread the wealth. Going 5/0 in lane is meaningless if you don't roam and use that lead to beat down the other enemy laners.

Remember, it's a team game. If your team needs help, go help them.

Well, you see here, as i said im an ADC main, and idk if you have ever played adc. but its SOOO hard to roam as adc.

LateCustomer1 votes

ADC is my secondary. When I'm ahead, I try to take down the enemy bot tower ASAP and go try to smash down mid.

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