How about getting rid of irelias 2 second point and click stun before buffing her

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This right here is one of the major disappointments i have with the League community. We need to get it out of our heads that all champs NEED to have a 50% win rate to be balanced. That's simply not the case.

In a world where everyone is 50% win rate, why would i EVER pick a jungler that ISN'T Lee sin, or an AD that ISN'T Vayne? if you master these champs, you can get the absolute most of them and use their high potential for outplay and carrying ability to run over the whole game.

People need to accept that win rate is a representative of player success ON AVERAGE and is representative of how an AVERAGE player who has little mastery of a particular champ does in a given game. It is not an objective measure of champion "goodness."

Watch Box Box's stream and watch him tear assholes on Riven. He can do that because he has a very clear mastery of every detail on that champ. Is Riven annoying? Yeah she is, but the average player shouldn't be able to pick up Riven and immediately destroy everyone with her. Her complexity shouldn't allow her to do that.

LIKEWISE Irelia is actually a relatively complex champion. People like Irelia Carries U and other people play Irelia at a very high level and take advantage of a lot of the nuances in her kit, specifically in her Q and W. If Irelia were to have a 51% win rate on average, she'd start drawing bans immediately. At a point where Irelia has a 51% win rate, any bum can take a semi-complex champion and has just above a coinflip's chance of winning. That's not representative of Irelia's somewhat steep mastery curve.

As far as play rate, that's just player preference. People are going to pick shit that's strong, and they're going to pick champs that are fun. If she's not overly strong, people that aren't big fans aren't going to pick her. To use pickrate as a measure of her success is also pretty stupid.

TL;DR Complex champs with steep mastery curves and high potential for outplay and good use shouldn't have a 50% win rate. Irelia IS one of those champions

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Yeah, she's only at 47% winrate with a mediocre playrate. No need for buffs at all.

whether irelia is strong or not, irelia's E creates degenerate play patterns where irelia will intentionally stay at low health to be able to reliably burst down squishy targets, when both burst and CC aren't supposed to be strengths of irelia at all.

Because if Riven gets any major buffs, then they will ride the free ELO train called Riven. Riven has received minor buffs. Anymore and you will see another example of running around.

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The real question should be why isn't Riven receiving any real buffs if Irelia is. ;----;

You sir said something that people are too foolish or self centered to understand and got my upvote for it.

You think tanks are safe from ? Haha, no. No they are not. I like playing tanks and I fucking hate fighting Irelia.

And then everyone who actually likes on fighters and tanks cries in pain. Their cries will go unanswered sadly, because Riot refuses to make it melee only (I guess because it has no on hit effect).

They need to rework the shield, simple as that.

Blanket nerfing it is silly when its balanced on tanks and bruisers.

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even fury-upgraded, its 1.5 seconds, not 2 its also less than half the range, even when fury-upgraded maintaining the 50 fury upgrade while getting within range is much much harder than irelia's condition of "be at less maxhp than opponent", especially since Renek would probably rather use that fury on Q irelia also has a targeted 650 range dash to get close enough to stun, while renek's is 450 range without the second dash, and isn't targetted

It's very simple, if she has a higher percentage HP than you, it slows.

If she has a lower percentage HP than you, it stuns.

You pretty much know when you are going to get stunned or not.

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Why not just make it a grounding, blinding, root that silences 100% of the time instead of a slow that only stuns if the target has higher health.

OR do you not understand how much dependency Irelia has on that skill to be useful?

It would be like removing the Tornado from Yasuo's kit.

If you want the stun to be removed from Irelia then man up and say you also want the tornado on Yasuo to be gone.

So basically an across the board nerf to every champ's power budget?