Re: Reksai 5.13 Nerf; her knock-up range is now less than her AA range?

MrBuffington·Jul 7, 2015·22 votes·6,694 views

Knockup radius = 160 AA range = 175 Anyone else find that odd, or am I just reading that wrong?

EDIT: The reason I find this odd is that when she's burrowed, her auto attack turns into her knock-up, so it sounds like there will be cases where she unburrows to attack but does not knock up a champion. IIRC, the extra range the knock-up used to have was to prevent this from happening by giving a bit more consistency.

EDIT2: According to Reddit she actually only has 75 range when burrowed, so the changes seem to avoid the mechanical issue of unburrowing to attack people but not applying the knock-up...

41 Comments

Only Play DariusJul 7, 201535 votes

They nerf damage Rek'Sai so now Rek'Sai has to build full tank to be useful.

Now they nerf tank Rek'Sai with no compensation.

This is exactly how Elise got to where she is.

MrBuffingtonJul 7, 20154 votes

Yea, them referring to Rek'Sai as a knock-up bot gave me flashbacks to when they turned Elise into a stun-bot

AsdeftJul 8, 20152 votes

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They nerf damage Rek'Sai so now Rek'Sai has to build full tank to be useful.

Now they nerf tank Rek'Sai with no compensation.

This is exactly how got to where she is.

Pretty sure we all caught on to what riot likes to do with the champs they don't know how to balance Amumu

SaiannaJul 8, 20157 votes

This is exactly how got to where she is.

And Evelynn

T RexHasTinyArmsJul 8, 20151 votes

She got there via rework. Bc she was in a much worse place before.

SaiannaJul 8, 20153 votes

That is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO not true.

She recieved the rework because she was too strong.

After rework Riot relized that they've took LARGE chunk of her power thus they buffed their tank-stats for compensate. And with that change Evelynn isn't assassin anymore, but a pink-weirdo-tank that sucks at everything she does.

T RexHasTinyArmsJul 8, 20151 votes

Didn't she get the rework that is her current kit to pull her out of the state she was in where it was considered a legitimate report to report trolling behavior for picking eve? Or did she get game play tweaks and not just numbers tweaks since then?

Ariel the CruelJul 8, 20151 votes

She was gutted, in part, due to vision changes. Then left there. Then reworked.

Rework still weaker then older version. Kit still toxic due to vision changes.

Ace Access Jul 8, 20154 votes

I hate building Tank'Sai, feels like garbage and completely out of place

I wanna build Rekt'Sai with item 3074 item 3071 item 3156 item 3153

Only Play DariusJul 8, 20151 votes

Release Rek'Sai was fun times. Clearly overtuned, but fun.

GunpointJul 7, 201514 votes

Rek'Sai doesn't need nerfs in the first place, if anything Rek'Sai needs to lose some tankiness, but then be compensated in damage. She isn't even fun to play anymore, not since they made her into a tank with 1 cc ability (which they are now nerfing AGAIN)

MohawkBirdJul 7, 201510 votes

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magic poleJul 8, 20152 votes

meh idk about simply a knock up bot. maybe late game yeah.

but she has great sustain early on with good ganks and TP. lee 2.0

ProfirixJul 8, 20151 votes

I agree, not fun to play anymore.

TerntJul 8, 20151 votes

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Rek'Sai doesn't need nerfs in the first place, if anything Rek'Sai needs to lose some tankiness, but then be compensated in damage. She isn't even fun to play anymore, not since they made her into a tank with 1 cc ability (which they are now nerfing AGAIN)

She just did last patch.. Went from 610 starting health to 570 base. I main Rek'Sai and it's noticeably different. I used to finish 5 camps at full health almost. This range nerf is unnecessary tbh. She's been nerfed so many damn times already, why can't they leave a champ just in the state it is. Rek'Sai is very healthy right now, but with this, will probably make her far harder to play in 5v5's.

MatezoideJul 7, 20155 votes

''We know this new item will break a lot of champions, so we are nerfing Rek'Sai.

You are welcome, guys!''

Riot

Bears Dont CareJul 8, 20153 votes

Ggwp riot. You just Elise her.

SwiftKitten88Jul 8, 20153 votes

this is stupid riot.. she doesn't need any more nerfs. if your going to nerf her aoe give her some of her damage back...

s LessThanThreeJul 8, 20153 votes

Rek'Sai doesn't need nerfs? Are you people high?

She has been one of the most OP junglers since release and still is in 5.12.

Grag and Sej need more work of course but Rek'Sai takes a good 3rd or 4th place as best jungler of the current meta

GM4tL8dFsIJul 7, 20152 votes

How is that odd? AA range and knockup radius should have no correlation

Lord DusteonJul 7, 20154 votes

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How is that odd? AA range and knockup radius should have no correlation

Probably because her AA is replaced by automatically knocking up in burrowed form.

MohawkBirdJul 7, 20152 votes

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ProfirixJul 8, 20151 votes

No more #LCSfirstpick?

ProfirixJul 8, 20152 votes

Would it surprise you to know that Rek'sai has been little more than a knock-up bot since the start of the spring split? Her damage has been cut back so far...after all, when shes played in the LCS she is built 100% tank. I miss my bruiser Rek'sai. If they are going to ruin her CC, they need to buff her bruiser nature.

StonePlatypusJul 8, 20152 votes

Nah she needs to be nerfed to the ground. More nerfs are needed to her damage, health, knock up and kit. Tunnels should be on a 10 minute cool down. Her Gobal Teleport should be once per match. Oh tunnels should last at max 30 seconds. I think we should also make it so that her vision is taken away since giving her any vision at all is OP. On top of that why does she need numbers anyway? She shouldn't have scaling to her abilities or numbers. The fact that you get rage from your abilities is enough for Rek'sai. Oh while were at it we should make half the items not even purchaseable for Rek'sai, and only items that start A through M. Oh and for icing on the cake I think Rek'sai should have a mandatory timer that makes it so she can't leave base for the first 5 minutes of a game.

There Riot, I have just done your job for you. Now you can input all these nerfs into Rek'sai in one patch so I don't have to see my jungler suffer anymore. Just kill her and be done with it.

Ever since I took the risk to play what I thought would be a champ I wouldn't gel with I got rewarded by a fun play experience. But then nerf, after nerf, after nerf...I've said my good byes, you can kill her now Riot.

A Miss FortuneJul 8, 20152 votes

I don't think Rek'sai really needs nerfs? Does she? I mean she's good and not a bad champion by any means, but it's not like she's extremely overpowered and needs to be gutted. She was inarguably overpowered on release but she was quickly nerfed.

Just because a champion is played a lot in the LCS doesn't necessarily mean he/she needs nerfs. If so then I guess Lucian, Corki, Annie, Sivir, Viktor, etc are all being gutted soon. Aside from that, I don't think I've really ever seen Rek'sai have some of the highest winrates in solo queue, and I don't think she's an issue. Champions like Gragas and Sejuani are much bigger issues than her and there are so many other laners like Fizz who needs nerfs long before Rek'sai needs to be even touched.

Sightless66Jul 7, 20151 votes

Area might be calculated differently. A lot of abilities are calculated from the edge of the hitbox, while autoattacks are calculated from the center of the hitbox. That would leave her knockup range larger than her autoattack range. Not certain, but that might be how it works here.

MrBuffingtonJul 7, 20153 votes

I think you have that reversed; auto attacks calculate from the edge, abilities calculate from center of the model.

Sightless66Jul 7, 20153 votes

Possible. I'm not certain.

Mjolnir802Jul 8, 20151 votes

Yep. Rek'sai model size is 100 unit radius and her AA range is 60 when burrowed (calculated from edge). The knock up range is now 160 (calculated from center), so they now match. If Rek'sai can auto when burrowed she is at max knock up range.

PhifeJul 8, 20151 votes

Riot, doesn't want her to be played.

Zair UmbrasJul 8, 20151 votes

I don't understand why the range nerf. It's silly to have it smaller than her own attack range, especially since her gap close can be stopped by a displacement. It's not like she's hard to keep away from important targets. I mean, seriously. With CDR, J4's E+Q combo is about 6s, mostly waiting for his E to come back up since it's 11s base, but with 30% CDR, that's down to about 8s, with 40%, you're down to 6.6s. Rek'sai's isn't her gap closer and it's her unborrow. Not to mention Jarvan's E+Q combo IS 180 IN WIDTH. That's MORE than Rek'sai's now.

Curling VeigarJul 8, 20151 votes

good gut her into the ground

lDontLiftIcarryJul 8, 20151 votes

good fuck reksai

CoolKnightSTJul 8, 20151 votes

Honnestly I think they only nerf she needed was on her ult so she can't abuse it to keep on the map the entire game. Maybe even give her a ms boost on her ult to compensate so she's more likely to use it for ganks rather than getting back to lane faster.

Ace Access Jul 8, 20151 votes

the only nerf I will support on this topic

Mjolnir802Jul 8, 20151 votes

Her AA range is 60 when burrowed. This nerf will only effect high skill players trying to make unburrow plays. Most low level players wont notice the difference becuse they auto to unburrow instead of manually castin unburrow.

MrBuffingtonJul 8, 20151 votes

According to Reddit it's 75 when burrowed (they had a picture as evidence); check my post again for the link.