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The absolute, mind boggling, desperately bad rework of pantheon. It's garbage, really.

Roamcell·8/23/2019, 6:11:52 AM·4 votes·2,572 views

Am I really the only one writing about this in the official boards? Search's busted I guess?

Anyhow. It occurs to me that chance of victory in league of legends depends on a good champ and a good composition. A good champ is a champ that plays efficiently in its designed role. Pantheon rework fails, with the most miserable, evident and disgusting degree, in all aspects of its designed role.

It's shit by all means, not just comparing it to the old pantheon.

Old pantheon - subpar fighter (literally shit against any other toplaner, could win by abusing his q + passive cheap mechanic):

  • cheap mechanics <= the reason most of us liked it for
  • had good burst
  • could oneshot softies
  • lost miserably to any other champ if not abusing his q
  • didn't scale past early game
  • was shit overall if didn't snowball
  • had one of the most ridiculous, most suicidal and less effective ultimates of any fighter, but could be used effectively to disrupt or net a kamikaze kill on their carry

New pantheon - absolute trash in any role except -perhaps- SUPPORT:

  • modern mechanics (they finally got rid of his q, right?), BUT STILL REQUIRES MAGE LIKE MANA.
  • has half the burst compared to pre rework. literally his burst deals less than a single skill + auto attack risposte from most top laners
  • can't even oneshot minions
  • loses any teamfight since early (numbers don't lie). loses trades, even while cleverly using his e.
  • can't 1 v 1. his q is dampened by minons, has such a long cooldown, mana request and requires such skill to land that it's mitigated by auto regen. It's absolutely and desperately useless even in mid game.
  • doesn't scale. doesn't even grow.
  • doesn't snowball. has no power spike. HIS W STILL DEALS MAGIC DAMAGE! <= this literally hurts intelligence. what kind of brain damaged piece of trash thought that it STILL was supposed to be so? No %%%%ing other AD fighter champ has a skill that doesn't scale with AD.
  • chanelling and total ultimate time, damage and efficiency make it even more suicidal than before. It's even easier to dodge. Because it wasn't easy to dodge before, right? And all other champs needed to be sure that his already piece of shit, subpar kit was ineffective further.

Oh but it has nice new visuals.

TL;DR; Buff this piece of trash. It makes pantheon players retch, to the point that even keegun the best pantheon player in the world feels it plays as a SUPPORT, at best.

26 Comments

Divin1ty8/23/2019, 6:48:44 AM3 votes

No %%%%ing other AD fighter champ has a skill that doesn't scale with AD.

GP does, Irelia does.

Ekhasm8/23/2019, 5:59:04 PM3 votes

Agree. Panth is by far, BY FAR the worst champ in the game now

Tr4shB4NSYST3M8/28/2019, 5:19:29 PM2 votes

From what I've seen His Q needs either better scaling or better base dmg and a slightly wider hitbox, it looks like His Q misses a lot when it looks like it should hit. Plus his damage is way too low for an earlygame champ.

Schenix8/28/2019, 7:12:14 PM2 votes

He's not inherently awful. The rework itself is fine, the numbers just landed low. I would argue the only mechanic holding him back aside from a few number changes, is the Ultimate, which requires some form of semi-meaningful slow to those in its path. Adding back crits to his autos on targets under 20% would be welcome too though, but not as imminently necessary.

That his thrust Q now crits, is great (actually didn't know that it was only for thrown Q before, that was pretty sleeper), and certainly alleviated the concern for releasing a champion that on paper, looked very good for pro play and would warrant balance limbo if coming out too strong. I'm happy with small buffing a champion like that up, and keeping him viable for solo queue without busting him in professional environments.

Sancre8/23/2019, 9:10:43 AM2 votes

Honestly, his set is quite well rounded, but he does seem to lack damage, not sure if early or late damage would be better for him, but I fear the moment RIOT buffs his damage enough to compete with other toplanes, he becomes assassin Pantheon again.

I think he needs

-Add base AD item 3053 item 3078

-Less damage falloff on long range q after hitting a minion

-WAY faster ult animation, old one had such huge area that you could more or less understand why it was so slow, but new one has way smaller area with still low damage, also being able to cancel it with a cooldown refund or something would be nice.

Just with these changes it should see a noticeable rise in winrate, after that, fine tuning will be needed to balance him

Roamcell8/23/2019, 7:16:39 AM1 votes

Looks like i missed those two.

Roamcell8/28/2019, 4:57:36 PM1 votes

Regardless of the cluelessness of the detractors, this rework is absolute shit.

It's a fact. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyyigYW8hgs

Roamcell8/23/2019, 5:58:01 PM1 votes

Honestly curious if the downvoters played pantheon it before and after the "rework". Kind of guessing they did not.

Hunkmenlordy8/30/2019, 7:58:20 PM1 votes

The new look is fine, the new fighting style - I don't know since I don't play him, the brainless part is his special interactions, it's so out of character for a pre god and aspect of war to say something dishonor battles.