"We've temporarily disbaled Kog'Maw due to an in-game bug."

Thrackerzod·Mar 11, 2016·44 votes·2,962 views

Oh, so we get seven bans until it's fixed? Awesome! Thanks Rito!

41 Comments

Mysticman89Mar 11, 201615 votes

Kog isn't quite that terrifying this patch anyway, he wouldn't necessarily be ban material.

ViashinoWizardMar 11, 20164 votes

You would've been wasting that ban anyway. They removed the bonus attack speed from his W.

Does anyone actually read the patch notes?

LSmaster16Mar 12, 20164 votes

Considering the number of warlord's bloodlust ADCs I see, no.

ModAcademy KaynMar 12, 20161 votes

Whats bad about Warlord Bloodlust adcs? I use it on Jhin mid all the time to help stay in lane.

LSmaster16Mar 12, 20163 votes

Most of the lifesteal is when you're low on health meaning they can all in you usually in lane. Also, you aren't really fighting on low health for very long as the adc once late game rolls around. Wouldn't death fire touch be better on jihn?

ModAcademy KaynMar 12, 20161 votes

Not really. You'd be surprised how much Feast and W. Bloodlust with a Doran Blade can do for you. If you're not afraid of pushing, you can heal a lot of the poke you can't dodge.

Also, by the time you've reach your fourth shot against an Opponent, you might be low enough for a small burst of life to count.

SH AzykanMar 12, 20163 votes

deathfire's AD ratio is really really good for Jhin though. Considering a lot of jhins easily break 600 AD that 60% ad Ratio is absurdly strong

Magnum MackMar 12, 20161 votes

hmmmmm

ModAcademy KaynMar 12, 20163 votes

Now that i think of it, Yeah. I'll have to try that out next time.

sreggadMar 12, 20161 votes

He lost the passive increase he still has the active doubling. He also got a +2% attack speed growth increase. Lets not forget they got rid of the "minimal damage" and added an "on-hit damage" which actually increases the damage.

So the "nerf" is arguably a buff.

at lvl 9 when the ability was maxed your only losing 17% attack speed due to the growth increase. Which isn't that much. They really just reduced his early game free attack speed.

MhihnjMar 12, 20161 votes

i do. Well at least the champions page

ZyniXMar 12, 20161 votes

And gave him a bonus to his attack speed per level which scales better into the late game then w ever did. He also gained on hit damage which is always up. After level 4 on he is the same threat as before.

Magnum MackMar 11, 20163 votes

It's nice at low elo because most kogs make tons of mistakes and you can just farm his maggot ass all day long. Keep him behind and stomp the bug constantly so he never gets to late game scaling.

However, with a decent support and proper game knowledge, he can be terrifying.

Let's be fair. riot could give us 2 more bans per team. 10 bans. That's 4 more points of empirical data to work with per game to calculate character balance. They should be JUMPING at the chance.

C9 Scott Free Mar 11, 20161 votes

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It's nice at low elo because most kogs make tons of mistakes and you can just farm his maggot ass all day long. Keep him behind and stomp the bug constantly so he never gets to late game scaling.

However, with a decent support and proper game knowledge, he can be terrifying.

Let's be fair. riot could give us 2 more bans per team. 10 bans. That's 4 more points of empirical data to work with per game to calculate character balance. They should be JUMPING at the chance.

TBH guinsoos is too cheap which is pobably the real issue. I managed to kill one twice in lane and so when I hit the gold break point to hit Essence reaver he hit the point for Guinsoo and out dueled me still but that was last patch

My Waifu VanillaMar 12, 20161 votes

You also probably didn't push your lead then since your 2 kills in him should've given you ER on his Rageblade, but still didn't have a farm lead on him somehow. If you go 2-0 as ADC and don't have a huge farm lead as well there should be a problen.

C9 Scott Free Mar 12, 20161 votes

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You also probably didn't push your lead then since your 2 kills in him should've given you ER on his Rageblade, but still didn't have a farm lead on him somehow. If you go 2-0 as ADC and don't have a huge farm lead as well there should be a problen.

Nah I had a sup zyra so the poke ate some of my CS so when I was at like 4000 total game gold he was at like 3.4 or something I think. Regardless his item costs like 700 less than mine and 20% crit means I have to get really lucky for the item to actually hold up to reliable magic damage

Magnum MackMar 12, 20162 votes

Guinsoo's is a tad cheap, but would that break any OTHER champs? I know kayle and jax specifically almost require it and yi gets useful with it as well.

However, thinking back at what I just stated, those champs are getting banned a lot in games as well now too... Jax almost always, Kayle is ruination incarnate when she gets through and yi is the only champ I know that can go 0/9 and then get a quadra out of nowhere at 30 minutes to turn it all around.

Hmmm... Maybe guinsoo's really IS a problem...

C9 Scott Free Mar 12, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Magnum Mack,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sH5BZMVc,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2016-03-12T17:44:47.458+0000)

Guinsoo's is a tad cheap, but would that break any OTHER champs? I know kayle and jax specifically almost require it and yi gets useful with it as well.

However, thinking back at what I just stated, those champs are getting banned a lot in games as well now too... Jax almost always, Kayle is ruination incarnate when she gets through and yi is the only champ I know that can go 0/9 and then get a quadra out of nowhere at 30 minutes to turn it all around.

Hmmm... Maybe guinsoo's really IS a problem...

I like what you did here

Magnum MackMar 15, 20161 votes

Here's my real concern: Are Jax and Kayle completely useless without Rageblade? If so, then they might be broken already and rageblade is just covering it up like a bandaid for septic shock.

I wonder how Shyvana does with rageblade considering her skills benefit from Hybrid penetration...

C9 Scott Free Mar 15, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Magnum Mack,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sH5BZMVc,comment-id=0002000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-03-15T16:00:09.540+0000)

Here's my real concern: Are Jax and Kayle completely useless without Rageblade? If so, then they might be broken already and rageblade is just covering it up like a bandaid for septic shock.

I wonder how Shyvana does with rageblade considering her skills benefit from Hybrid penetration...

Personally I would say Jax is fine but I guess that could be argued. I remember him going wild but not one item deep.

Ruin LanceMar 11, 20161 votes

the problem is a lot of people at low elo have a lot of trouble focusing the enemy adc -_-

Supreme Senpai69Mar 12, 20161 votes

Every single fight of every single game, people blow their flashes and ults to kill me as soon as they can. (I'm a support main.) We usually win teamfights because of it, but I don't get any assists lol. It's like we win the game and I'll go 0/8/2 or something. "gg report noob support."

Like, the enemy team lost the battle but won the war by focusing me. They got the last laugh :[

SoMNiaMar 11, 20163 votes

Uh-huh. Because it's not like people have made this joke before.

Every time a champion someone doesn't like turns up with a disable-worthy bug.

Every single time.

Implying they spend a ban on one specific champion, regardless of the situation, in every game.

Not like that at all.

<.<

Karma DeifiedMar 11, 20161 votes

Mundo/Tahm before 6+ champs were more experience ruining than them.

Wînter FoxMar 12, 20163 votes

Kog'Maw
In-game bug

Ha ha! Riot's got jokes!

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

Dominick DestineMar 11, 20161 votes

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Oh, so we get seven bans until it's fixed? Awesome! Thanks Rito!

Damn it, I was about to say just that when I saw the title of this thread.

The DeckownerMar 11, 20161 votes

I hate playing non dmg champ against a kog, because the only way to fight a kog is kill him before he kills u, and say if i am playing soraka i cant do shit about him.

Supreme Senpai69Mar 12, 20163 votes

His W makes him immobile doesn't it? Put an E under him. He's silenced and probably stunned now. Or stay far behind the ADC and heal him as the ADC attacks Kogmaw, you will win every time.

Faith BreakerMar 11, 20161 votes

They've broken the game with the past series of patches, which is kind of strange. They have PBE and testers, yet they are releasing new patches that create bugs they should have already caught, and it's been worse lately then its ever been. Someone even made a post joking about with each new patch notes they should add a list of the champs that are disabled because of the bugs introduced by the patch that they didn't properly test.

TwinkieProMar 11, 20162 votes

PBE is smaller than you would think, as well as a different environment altogether. Sometimes bugs just don't show up because of the smaller player base.

Faith BreakerMar 11, 20161 votes

What about the actual Feedback from the PBE that Riot blatantly disregards? The PBE community feels disenchanted because the input they give is not regarded at all.

TwinkieProMar 11, 20161 votes

It happens, not gonna lie, just attributing a factor. PBE is mostly to test whether it works or not, such as kindreds passive. Mostly for new things. The azir bug was spaghetti code, and is one of the few things that doesnt translate from pbe to live, meaning it doesnt appear in pbe. Same with kog. I played kog on the pbe before the patch went live and had no issues with kog. Things happen that arent riots fault or disregard.

JayrettMar 12, 20161 votes

I think he's refering to balancing issues

TwinkieProMar 12, 20161 votes

His first post doesnt refer to that, but on that note, PBE is for testing if it works mostly, not if its fair. Xin buffs still went through, and many of us were adamant about how unnecessary it is.

SoMNiaMar 11, 20161 votes

Yeah, about that...they have a schedule to keep. Even if they can fix a bug, they may not be able to introduce the fix early enough in the patch cycle to properly test it and make sure it didn't break something else before it goes live. In these cases, they may delay the fix until the beginning of the next cycle, or, depending on the nature of the bug, they may hotfix it in the same patch after it goes live. This is all assuming a bug has been identified, of course. There are reasons why Riot has to do things the way they do, and anyone expecting Riot to just do what players tell them without understanding those reasons is not being productive.

ShonjlMar 12, 20161 votes

Mainly this, I wouldn't waste my time testing something for Riot if they will ignore anything I could possibly say anyways. So thats probably the reason for PBE being small, since anyone can join.

EcchiOtakuTMMar 12, 20161 votes

Actually IMO it's because they listened to pbe before now they're hesitant.

Most of the issues of the juggernaut patch were due to the pbe crying for buffs on the champs who were already balanced then we had monster releases.

Ariel the CruelMar 11, 20161 votes

Remember that Time when Zed and Riven were both banned? Everybody got 5 bans.

God of BagelsMar 11, 20161 votes

I just played a Kog/Thresh bot lane and we shit all over them in laning phase and in late game. I was MF and my support was Morgana. It was easy.

ZaNJeTsUMar 11, 20161 votes

the best thing I saw today, kogmaw is disabled :D

PrometheSMar 12, 20161 votes

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Oh, so we get seven bans until it's fixed? Awesome! Thanks Rito!

Why would you ban Kog'Maw when he's the lowest winrate ADC in the game by far this patch? 44% winrate is absolutely terrible with over 9100 games this patch.