Good top laner against all in champions like riven and yasou?

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well dont see that match up (garen/yasuo) alot i can usually go toe to toe with most match ups top lane as maokai ( i know he is busted ) even if im behind a bit in cs or die once i can typically be good enough to be effective outside of lane.

and like i said im sure garen is fine vs yasuo

Maybe it's not as favorable for Garen at the higher elos I dunno. Like I said I'm Plastic 5, so while annoying to fight against, I haven't really seen all that many Yasuos. Down here he's pretty much permabanned because most people are afraid of a teammate taking him, failing hard, and feeding.

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A pro LC$ Riven might shit all over a bad to average Garen but if both players are equally skilled, then Garen has the advantage.

He is also considered a pretty good counter for Riven.

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right cuz garen has sustain... she dont... he gets passive armor she dont, garen naturally tankier . he has a silence on his Q which you wait for to go in with a combo and you use it to stop her spam . she gets on you use W to reduce her damage and hit E and chunk her

just repeat over and over...

As i said a bad Riven sure, a good Riven nah. It doesn't has to be an LCS Riven just a decent Riven player.

Rivan can easily stop Garen Q with a stun or run away, then proceed to go in again with her lower CD skills. If a Riven sees Garen running in with his Q and gets hit with it, well those ain't 2 people on the same skill because that Riven is lower level that the Garen.

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http://imgur.com/a/qDatX

http://current.lolalytics.com/champion/Riven/Top/

rivens win rate vs garen is 47.38% being her 5th best counter via win rate but most common pick vs riven at 3.6%

tell me how two players of equal skill playing these champs riven beats the garen

Those are really bad numbers for a counter and mostly because those Riven as i said, know their champ less that the Garen player. But Riven can easily scape Garen.

Just look how Diamond Rivens don't get countered by Garen. Because they know their champ better and they go vs Diamond+ Garens.

As i said, is all about knowledge of the champ if you had it you would know how easy is to turn it around with Riven vs Garen.

she kept cc-ing me as fizz really whether it was the stun or the knockup, I'm lvl 30 as well, but I couldn't fight her or even farm safely

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Wait, when did they nerf Darius and what did they do to him?

This was last month I saw they ''stealth'' nerfed darius 3x and after that I played as darius and he was super weak lawl it's just his passive that makes him stupid still.