Zoe = Garbage After Nerf

Snow Day Zoe·Mar 1, 2018·4 votes·3,089 views

OH WOW A FUN CHAMPION THAT LOOKS LIKE CANCER

Loved the champion at first sight, bought her and got mastery 7 in a week since her release.

I know the champion was cancer and all the non-Zoe players despised the damage at any point in time in the game.

After a couple of patches, Zoe got adjusted, where she can't use abilities while in her R and also can't use her second Q after 0.5 seconds for extra range, which it made Zoe's QQR combo a lot clunky, but I just adapted to the change.

But this patch, I knew Riot made a bad choice of making a champion that has all the damage source in one single ability.

Q - Paddle Star BASE DAMAGE 45/75/105/135/165 ⇒ 45/60/75/90/105 RATIO 0.40 ability power ⇒ 0.20 ability power Paddle Star no longer applies More Sparkles' damage to enemies past the first hit

Nerf her base damage and also decreased her AP scaling by** 50%**.

Now she can't even one shot ranged minions at level 9 at a maxed range.

patch 8.3s normal max ranged Q does more damage than patch 8.4s slept max ranged Q.

Now, what does that say about Zoe?

GARBAGE.

since she has no lane push, she has barely any roaming potential, which was her biggest and the most crucial part, also lost her lane trading, and now basically gets countered by every single mid laner, and most importantly, she lost her artillery teamfight potential.

She just does no damage.

They could have just nerfed the E to not x2 any damage incoming to x1.4 so people don't complain about getting one shotted.

They are honestly getting rid of every single point of playing this champ.

30 Comments

vgamedudeMar 1, 20185 votes

There is no point in playing her anymore. She has horrendous wave clear, she has no burst, she runs out of mana when she can clear (although anyone can out shove her), she has zero mobility, and no defense. Oh and her moves are ridiculously telegraphed and her R is frequently a death sentence.

Thanks for ruining a fun and unique champion riot because of the qq babies!

nelogisMar 1, 20183 votes

"ridiculously telegraphed": I'm sure that E out of fog of war from 200 miles away is so telegraphed and counterplayable for the opponent

"she runs out of mana": It's like saying Ori has mana costs, no she has not. Try to play an actual mana hungry champion like Brand, then you might see what it actually means to manage mana.

"she has zero mobility, and no defense": She is so close to old nida that if she had that she would be the definition of cancer. By the way that 70% movementspeed on her W and her R is mobility. Play Mordekaiser, then you realize what no mobility means.

"R is frequently a death sentence": You even go back when you get cc'd?!!?! what?!

"fun and unique champion": Fun and unique my ass this playstyle is literally old Nida, Legolas Varus, AP Rek'Sai. Guess what? they all got nerfed because their playstyles were frustrating to play against. At least Varus and Rek'Sai were pretty much dead as soon as you got to them.

You know what was unique and fun? Sword of the divine, full AD Malphite

This champ is so stuffed with hand holding mechanics it's unbelievable. Her skill ceiling might be high but her skill floor is below sea level.

She needs some serious work done to her power distribution.

I don't know if you remember the time where Eve had a stun (pre-rework). She was so inhumanly broken and impossible to balance that Riot literally gut her down to a 35% WR or so and left her there until they had a solution for this.

People got flamed for just picking Eve back then. So Riot isn't doing this the first time.

She got gutted because it's nigh impossible to balance her out and not make it frustrating to play against her. I still see her getting banned in my games while she has a 42% WR!!

People just DON'T want to play against this shitbag of a champion, the only thing that's going to happen if they buff her up by just upping the numbers is that her banrate will rise up to 70% again.

ACROSS ALL ELOS

Hellmaximus1Mar 1, 20181 votes

I think most of the people who defend her don't play ranked, since playing her in ranked before was near impossible.

Which means those player are most likely unskilled player that got free win in Blind-Pick by playing a champion that's easy to get into and is stronger than most champion while also bring safety of range and utility.

SEKAIMar 1, 20185 votes

She is fundamentally broken in terms of her design itself, and is probably the most broken champ in this regard yet; she should've never been released.

Dope SoloMar 1, 20183 votes

To be fair, she was garbage before the nerf, just a different kind, more like radioactive toxic waste.

DragonSheaMar 1, 20183 votes

Zoe: https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Oaewrz-7M0E/Wo9PZE-jDaI/AAAAAAAA5yY/BOSEiViGD5k7jwcLYur4SvSypBN8p0VuQCLcBGAs/s200/d59ac85417e4a84d.png

Me: http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/023/824/baINLAUH.jpg

Hellmaximus1Mar 1, 20182 votes

When riot made zoe, that made a mistake in not canning her the moment it hit the drawing board, whoever thought going back on design changes and making a 1 shot ability like oldschool nidalee with more mobilty and ultity was a good idea is an idiot.

Riot has decided to drop the whole sunk cost of trying to fine tune her into being balanced for 1 patch just into she broken again 4 patches later when someone the meta changes, they rather not make another mistake, so they removed everything that made zoe busted, including the NON-removeable sleep that can last up to 2.5 seconds, the GRACE PERIOD on her QQR combo (0.5 secs), the 50% cd refund on her Unique 2.5 sec cc, her insane wave clear, her q being able to 1 shot even tanks MID-GAME, and of course removed the really strong variable of getting Teleport summoner 12 from minions.

Now if this champion can't hold up without all of these INSANELY strong UNIQUE elements of her gameplay than she deserve to be trash tier. It's exactly like nidalee, if nerfing oldschool nidalee's q into the ground makes her obsolete than that is not good champion design or kit.

vgamedudeMar 1, 20183 votes

"I don't like it so it should be useless"

Artillery mages are a good thing and punish adcs who don't be careful enough. You all want everything that isn't right clicking with unmissable autos to have counterplay or be removed / gutted because it's toxic or whatever? GG you get the adc circle jerk have fun.

Hellmaximus1Mar 1, 20181 votes

Except when they don't just punish adc but also punish tanks, tanky supports, and most bruisers since they have huge hitboxes, a tank that build pure MR shouldn't be in fear of getting one shotted by a mid game artillery mage, or get hit by a un-removeable 2.5 sec CC AoE Trap laying ability, most of the things about this champion's kit was terrible in the way they implemented them and now that they removed all of those unfair negative-gameplay elements she has become incredible weak.

I think riot did a great job at fixing her except for her AP ratios, they should've done a minor tweak to how much ap ratio she get at max range but leave base range alone or vice-verse.

If the champion can't stand it on it's own without a half second grace period on failing her QQR combo, a un-removable 2.5 second cc, and her insane level 2 wave clear, that she shouldn't be in the game regardless.

However I suspect once people figure out how to properly combo with her she will be perfectly viable especially after the AP item changes that recently happen, will she won't be obnoxiously over-powered like she was, but that's the cost when you get such a jam packed kit that she currently has. Think old azir insanely overpowered but at first no one knew how to correctly play him, and anyone under platinum basically inted when playing azir.

vgamedudeMar 1, 20182 votes

Zoe is not going to one shot anyone with MR stop exaggerating please. Her damage done in a game figures weren't even number 1 it's not like she did an asinine OP amount of damage, her combo isn't guaranteed even in the hands of pros and you can see it with plenty of them having trouble with the champion, like Crown.

Hellmaximus1Mar 1, 20181 votes

First of all, you can find many instances of her melting MR tanks on youtube mid game, you can also see despite the fact that even the pros play zoe terribly they still picked up easy win with her even they themselves asked how they even got away with X plays.

If you play zoe poorly in fights you shouldn't be able to walk away with a triple kill simple because they enemies dropped 1 or 3 SS.

and riot seems to agree with this since they removed everything that I and many other had a problem with.

vgamedudeMar 1, 20181 votes

Is that why crown and others frequently left her up because they didn't want to pick her? Some teams even prioritized azir over her and pro play aside solo Q stats are easy to find and she definitely wasn't op in solo Q, that's just an objective fact.

Also if you think it's easy to get a triple kill in fights you play poorly as zoe just because of a few SS on the ground lmao. Zoe has zero mobility outside of SS she may or may not pick up and she has to reach them.

Scary DoorMar 1, 20182 votes

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Is that why crown and others frequently left her up because they didn't want to pick her? Some teams even prioritized azir over her and pro play aside solo Q stats are easy to find and she definitely wasn't op in solo Q, that's just an objective fact.

Also if you think it's easy to get a triple kill in fights you play poorly as zoe just because of a few SS on the ground lmao. Zoe has zero mobility outside of SS she may or may not pick up and she has to reach them.

Just gonna go ahead and leave this here for ya...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oFC0b0gxw8

vgamedudeMar 1, 20183 votes

Im so tired of this stupid clip. Literally underfed ezreal multiple levels behind with no defenses against a zoe whos ultra fed. It's so dumb that people sperged about this.

KrytoricMar 2, 20182 votes

"underfed" - needs half an item to be full build "multiple levels down" - 2 levels down, not uncommon for an ADC to be a lower level than a solo laner "no defenses" has a QSS "ultra fed" any other champ thats 4/0 wont literally one shot anyone

:^) deserved to be gutted.

vgamedudeMar 3, 20181 votes

Literally 2 levels down and has a fuckin qss which is literally no mr, you expect a tank to sit on merc treads and say "hey i have mr"? That's underfed.

No health items either. Yes he should be one shot by a max range killshot. By the way ezreal in pro games damage done numbers are ridiculous so it's hilarious that you post an ezreal getting rekt by a zoe like it means anything.

I forgot though, god forbid anything dare actually kill riots and your precious adc class. Even though that skill shot has more counterplay than 99 percent of adcs who sit and auto you to death.

KrytoricMar 3, 20182 votes

give me a GOOD ez build that has HP, and more MR than a qss. Also when did i mention tanks? that makes no sense LOL

Should Ez be one shotting with his Q if it goes max range? I dont care about people killing ADC, but getting hit with a single ability should never be a one shot kill lad.

Also wanna know a secret on how to counter ADC? its a crazy secret no one knows about, ready? item 3047 boom, over 10% reduced damage on top of base armor, there ya go, you countered ADCs, we're all very proud of you.

vgamedudeMar 3, 20181 votes

THATS THE POINT.

A class that builds glass cannon SHOULD get punished by max range skill shots.

and it's LAUGHABLE if you think tabis will do jack all to a adc post 2 items even. That's not a "counter" to an adc.

KrytoricMar 3, 20182 votes

so what you're saying, is that a max range Ez Q SHOULD one shot Zoe with their builds? Nice meme

And thats a joke right? its proof you're bad at this game if you dont think tabis fuck ADCs, that literally destroys an ADC's damage, but i guess thats not a counter huh?

vgamedudeMar 4, 20181 votes

Having tabis against an adc isn't going to make nearly as much of a difference as you pretend it will. A static critical proc will still destroy your hp and force you to base those boots aren't a hard counter to adcs that's ridiculous.

ADCs can burn down tanks a pair of boots isn't going to keep them from killing you.

KrytoricMar 4, 20182 votes

go against ADC, compare the damage before and after you have the boots. ADCs dont burn down tanks, show me a video of a crit ADC shredding a tank.

Hellmaximus1Mar 2, 20181 votes

Dude you just compared a pro picking up AZIR one of the most skilled based champion that if played at that high level can solo win games that pros have been practicing for over a year with, to zoe a champion that just recently came up.

Azir is a top pick for many different reasons, pro play specifically doesn't take risk and usually won't adopt a new champion just because she is strong, since they have to consider team comps and such.

Zoe winrate in solo queue is actually high when you factor in newbie player picking her up and getting stomp on because they took zoe into her counters, which was the only time you could actually get zoe in solo queue.

vgamedudeMar 2, 20181 votes

Yeah sure if you entirely ignore the fact that her winrate at the highest level was still totally balanced.

KnotSoProMar 27, 20192 votes

I agree, f zoe and f the person who drew her up. Shes a ridiculous candy cane champ with too much power and they are just too lazy to give a shit about fixing her broken pos ass.

EphixusMar 27, 20191 votes

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I agree, f zoe and f the person who drew her up. Shes a ridiculous candy cane champ with too much power and they are just too lazy to give a shit about fixing her broken pos ass.

Nice necro'ing Einstein.

PeachyPosteriorMar 1, 20182 votes

She's getting a buff coming up for some power back in her kit. She feels bad to play right now, but she really isn't. As long as you know when to go in and when to back I can have my enemy shoved after 6 easy, and I'm not even out of bronze yet.

Ahri BakaMar 2, 20182 votes

Take an as an advice and don't try to discuss with a community that still bans a 40% winrate champion Zoe is the 3rd most banned champion right now

Malix FarwinMar 1, 20181 votes

What they will likely do with Aoe to be honest is slowly buff her up to where she was before but people will just forget about it.

OnotoriMar 3, 20181 votes

I've actually been playing Zoe quite a bit, and I've been having a lot of fun and doing well with her. I rarely lose lane, and I'm able to trade / poke in lane like a monster, and then I roam since my enemy laner backs off and lets the wave push.

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Aitsuki

I don't always win, since Zoe never really could carry (even before nerfs), but she's still doing fine if you know how to play her without relying on one shots.

KnotSoProMar 27, 20191 votes

zoes a pos and riot should really work on scaling. I know they think their algorithm for scaling is useful but it doesn't work on all champs. Zoe is one of the pos champs with too many abilities to spam and no cd on half of them. Its a joke. Since when does riot condone placing lqbqt champs in a video game? No need to go metro riot, people will still play and pay money. Don't be "that" video game