Threaded Volley (Q) no longer deals 50% extra damage to minions.
This seems absurd and I seriously don't agree with this. Didn't they add this after her release to buff her? And now they are taking it away and ruining her push > roam potential?
Maybe I'm just getting this wrong?
RIP 
Dynikus5 votesstraight removing it is going to cripple her early game I think. The problem is she's too good at shoving a lane then roaming at the moment though. I think just lowering the bonus damage so she can't clear the casters at level 1 would be reasonable. maybe something like 30% extra damage to minions.
unassigned2 votesYes I totally agree, but completely removing the extra damage, I think that might be too much!
Dynikus3 votesIt is a new update on the pbe though, so no need to get up in arms about it just yet. Hopefully they'll revert the change or at the very least change it to a less substantial nerf.
unassigned2 votesLets hope that is the case! Thanks for discussing.
Calabok3 votesthe nerf was the right thing to do. YAY RIOT
xTropicalPenguin2 votesThey nerfed everything about Taliyah except for her passive and health, i don't understand the thought process of "we're going to hit the wave clear of a champion that depends on wave clear so she has time to roam and help her team".
unassigned2 votesExactly, this just might put her on the bench.
xTropicalPenguin2 votesi've moved on to that ahri hype because she's fun, viable in all elos, and most importantly not played in lcs/lcl/lck. Meaning riot doesn't pay attention to her except to make skins and make a lot of money because she's a popular champion.
unassigned2 votesHaha! If these changes come through I might have to hop on that!
Dynikus2 votesthinking about hopping on the ahri wagon too ever since I saw her arcade skin. she's free this week, so I'll definitely give her a try.
Treune812 votesTrue nerf they don't want extreme waveclear.Taliyah players could spam her q skill without thinking.
unassigned3 votesHer entire play style was: Push a wave then roam, she heavily relies on her wave clear.
Treune812 votesHer entire play style was: Push a wave then roam, she heavily relies on her wave clear.
Push a then roam but also you have burst.No way! Taliyah's kit is overloaded.Riot protected her burst.I think this is good for you.
unassigned1 votesThis buff that she received when she was released is what made Taliyah, Taliyah. I think its a bit too much going from 50% extra damage to completely removing it. I think they should lower it so (as DYNIKUS stated) some where around 30% where she cannot oneshot the mage minions @ level 1.
Dynikus4 votesthey're also currently testing nerfing her mana regen, regen growth, and total growth per level, as well as nerfing the damage on her E again.
Memeguel4202 votesI thought the nerfs before would kill her. They did hurt her but she still did fine and was balanced imo. But now they decide to nerf her and buff Riven and Veigar. Pls
unassigned2 votes^^
Dynikus1 votesshe's probably a little on the strong side of balanced at the moment, especially in higher elo games where people really have an understanding of the game and know how to use her kit to the fullest. They're definitely over nerfing her though if these changes make it to live.
unassigned2 votesAgreed, maybe 30% extra damage to minions so she doesn't oneshot the mage minions at level 1? Or possibly have it scale with level?
Memeguel4202 votesThis would be the only nerf required tbh. People complain about her W E combo but its not that hard to dodge. And if you see her use her E you should already be alert to her using it. I really liked the damage on her E because it would help against yasuo so much. They said that she does really well in high elo's but that's exactly what they said about azir now look at him. They nerf champions that are strong if used well. Well unless its Yasuo, Riven, and Zed.
Memeguel4202 votesI don't see why they would nerf her damage even though she already has an ult thats just utility. She can't even escape with it that often. They could just increase the cooldown on her ult or decrease the time it lasts if its her roaming that people complain about. But to nerf her damage when she already only has 3 damage spells and theyre not just nerfing 1 of them. I'm just salty cause I main her lol
unassigned2 votesYeah I main her too and this angers me. Her early game is a bit strong with her ability to oneshot mage minions. Possible a reduction to 30% damage to minions?
BushidoBlade1 votesthey aren't nerfing damage, they're nerfing minion damage.
xTropicalPenguin1 votesthe thing is those who truly main her dominate with her with her winrate around 60%. She has azir syndrome, those who are skilled with her are SKILLED, and then there are those who just fucking suck
unassigned1 votesYes she might be strong but removing something from her kit that made her viable is just harsh. I thinking a small damage reduction, like 30% extra damage.
Treune811 votesthe thing is those who truly main her dominate with her with her winrate around 60%. She has azir syndrome, those who are skilled with her are SKILLED, and then there are those who just fucking suck
True.Azir syndrome.Evidence.
xTropicalPenguin3 votesi always knew since the day she was made that she'd go far, i went through all the ridicule of people saying she sucked and i'm stupid and all the pride of being a good taliyah main, and this is my reward, the koreans being like "ah shit she's fucking busted"
Samflash31 votesThe Americans seem to think that they knew she was broken all along. Psh...she was released the same day. We had all the time to figure out if she was busted.
BushidoBlade2 votesdudes, fuck this champion, seriously. is the most broken, busted, ass fucking champion I have ever seen! It takes her one Q on unworked ground to clear melee minions at level ONE.. and you guys think this is fucking balanced? SHAME
Astôlfo1 votesYou forgot the /s.
BushidoBlade1 voteswhy would I smile about a busted champion like ? honestly, all this champion wants to do is poke from 1000 range and avoid any kind of aggression from the enemy team with her range.
"Hey, let's just shove the wave under enemy turret so it steals all of their cs EVERY.SINGLE.WAVE. with my 4 second cooldown threaded volley that has literally ZERO DOWNTIME! But that's okay, I only use 
to its maximum effectiveness with every spell! Even though they all have AoE hitboxes, it still triggers a 40% slow! I'm a balanced champion!"
Astôlfo1 votesAlright buddy whatever you say. Her 1000 range poke is locked into one direction the moment she starts it. There's this thing called moving to the side. And LMAO no. It's a 4 second CD at rank 5. It's not going to hit rank 5 within laning phase.
lmao once again you fail http://puu.sh/qOdfQ/1840ea55fc.png http://puu.sh/qOdgK/aea0dfc4fc.png http://puu.sh/qOdhu/2bc2c88780.png
AoE is second most effective. Single-target is most effective with 1.5s slow versus AoE at 1s slow. And all her spells are AoE, thus they fall under the second category. Why wouldn't they trigger a 40% slow? That's literally what Rylai's does for AoE spells. Or did you just forget what Rylai's does entirely?
Cry harder.
BushidoBlade1 voteslevel 9 is not within laning phase? news to me. oh right, you'll probably auto push turrets faster because your 's waveclear is fvcking busted. and don't pretend that 's passive is even close to balanced. You're abusing a busted champion with a busted item's passive.
I also heard it is really easy to move to the side if you are even clipped with one part of the 5 part series that is her fvcking Threaded Volley. 40% slow applied to a champion with 
using 335 base movespeed. This is average movespeed for most midlane opponents and middle of the pack movespeed statistic. 390 with swifties unhindered.
add 40% slow you get (335+55) * (1- (0.4 *(1- 0.25))) = 273. With any of your spells that you manage to connect with, you are taking from your enemy 117 movement speed. _You are effectively giving them 62 movement speed LESS than base movement speed. _Champions are literally crawling when hit with .
Do you know what value for AoE based spells slow reduction BEFORE season 6? It was 15%.
#BringBack15%
Hige2 votesyou can't compare the skill level of the people who picked her up at release to now, people have learned how to optimize her and her true colors are starting to show and she's OP colored.
Erockandroll1 votesIt's still early in the patch cycle. I doubt all of those changes will ship.
unassigned1 votesYeah probably so! I'm praying on it! 50% to 0% seems a bit too much for a much played champion.
xTropicalPenguin1 votesi remember the last pbe cycle butchered her Q and that got removed after like a week
unassigned1 votesSo they have experimented with this before? So why test it again? This generally confuses me.
xTropicalPenguin1 voteslast time it was like mana costs, damage, and scaling were all nerfed and i think the worked ground change was reverted
Raeyxx1 votesUm... I hope that aren't actually nerfing her further. She's barely playable as is. :/
unassigned1 votesShe is fine imo. She is a really strong mage but heavily relies on hitting skillshots and not being a dumb***. If these changes come through we might have to see her leave the LCS scene.
Astôlfo1 votesNerfing her at all was a fucking stupid decision.
