Can I stop being forced into 4 mands

Amélie Cauchemar·Apr 14, 2016·17 votes·406 views

I'm kind of tired of watching these gold/plat premade baddies running around with 0 fucking clue what they're doing while the enemy team of premade smurfs anally rapes them to hell and back.

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KillerKellApr 14, 20164 votes

The whole "Every Pre-Made I face is Immortals, Every Pre-Made I get is Dumb and Dumber" routine.

Yes, Riot hates you. They do. Only you. You will always face God Tier, and only be given crap to counter it with.

You've never ever ever had a Dynamic Group Q with you and be good, ever. No one has. Ever.

Except for the 'other team'. They always get the 'Good Pre Mades'. Always.

PDE5 InhibApr 14, 20161 votes

I hate playing against a shitty/trolling 4 man just as much as I hate playing with them.

KillerKellApr 14, 20163 votes

I can agree 100% with that. But every 4 Man isn't shitty/trolling.

You never hear "I had this awesome 3 or 4 Man Pre Made today, that really worked a strategy and comp and even open up and discussed it with me so I could try to be more effective. I decided I didn't want to be a Tank Top, which they were looking for, because I'm simply much better on Quinn up there and would rather be on my Best Champ than hold back a comp trying to play something I'm not good at."

But some how, the 'Enemy Team' ALWAYS has that Golden Pre-Made of Mythology with stories of "It was like Jurassic Park, they were 4 Velociraptors constantly diving me under Turret with extreme precision and execution. It was a blood bath, and that Solo on their side likely could have went to Starbucks for a Mocha and came back to a Win."

So some how, everyone sees the 'other team' as always having this really awesome Pre-Made... that no one ever reports on. But 'my team' always has mouth breathers uniting to Pre-Made, and that gets reported every time.

Now I've played with both... and on both. I've been the Solo with gawd-awful Pre-Mades, and I've been the Solo that benefitted from really good Pre-Mades. And I've been on Pre-Mades that were rocking, and others that were just plain crap full of confusion and lack of direction.

There IS a balance to it.

But everyone wants to play the "Woe is Me" card.

I don't want 4 Pre Made Mouth Breathers on my team, or the other team... just like I don't want 4 Mouth Breathers Solo on my team, or the other team.

Literally NOTHING has changed in the regard of the probability of Talent you will be grouped with and face... except that if you face a Pre-Made your Team will have an MMR Edge.

PDE5 InhibApr 14, 20161 votes

DynamicQ is still dumb for ranked matches.

Amélie CauchemarApr 14, 20161 votes

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I can agree 100% with that. But every 4 Man isn't shitty/trolling.

You never hear "I had this awesome 3 or 4 Man Pre Made today, that really worked a strategy and comp and even open up and discussed it with me so I could try to be more effective. I decided I didn't want to be a Tank Top, which they were looking for, because I'm simply much better on Quinn up there and would rather be on my Best Champ than hold back a comp trying to play something I'm not good at."

But some how, the 'Enemy Team' ALWAYS has that Golden Pre-Made of Mythology with stories of "It was like Jurassic Park, they were 4 Velociraptors constantly diving me under Turret with extreme precision and execution. It was a blood bath, and that Solo on their side likely could have went to Starbucks for a Mocha and came back to a Win."

So some how, everyone sees the 'other team' as always having this really awesome Pre-Made... that no one ever reports on. But 'my team' always has mouth breathers uniting to Pre-Made, and that gets reported every time.

Now I've played with both... and on both. I've been the Solo with gawd-awful Pre-Mades, and I've been the Solo that benefitted from really good Pre-Mades. And I've been on Pre-Mades that were rocking, and others that were just plain crap full of confusion and lack of direction.

There IS a balance to it.

But everyone wants to play the "Woe is Me" card.

I don't want 4 Pre Made Mouth Breathers on my team, or the other team... just like I don't want 4 Mouth Breathers Solo on my team, or the other team.

Literally NOTHING has changed in the regard of the probability of Talent you will be grouped with and face... except that if you face a Pre-Made your Team will have an MMR Edge.

How are you B4 with a negative win rate.

KillerKellApr 14, 20162 votes

Fair question.

I jumped into ranked WAY to soon... 16 Champions and no complete Rune Page. I also sucked, which didn't help.
As I improved, I wanted to ensure I had Viable Champions 3+ Deep in each Lane/Role... so as you can see I've played almost every Champion since Pre-Season 4 in Ranked. The idea was to not 'rush' up a Ranking on the merits of 1-2 Champions... I felt that made you a 'Gold Garen' or 'Gold Ashe', not a 'Gold PLAYER'. If you look at my Shen and Braum, 62.5% Win Rates with 2.75 KDA range... I could climb with either or both of them easily but then I'd be in a Higher Elo and get stuck on another Champion that I'm not as good with, so what's the point in that? (New Ranked System changes this, as you can basically ensure your Best and 2nd Best Roles).

So basically I went from sucking overall to improving but 'gating' myself to force a larger Champion Pool. I could likely climb with Shen and Braum, but still feel I need to be better on more Champs (my ADC Game is improving, for instance) to improve my chances. Just not to the same depth as I felt before.

Also, I'm a 'student of the game' type of person. I generally tend to study and gain knowledge, but that doesn't always mean you can execute on that knowledge. Even with Shen or Braum I probably would top off in Gold Range, though some friends I play with suggest my Braum and Shen would be higher. So that is saying that even on my 'Best Champions' I'd still only get so far. On really mechanical Champions, like Zed, Orianna or reset Champions like Katarina and Akali I'm not nearly Mechanical enough to get what I should out of them.

My Knowledge, in most cases, is likely far ahead of my Ability... and I can admit that.

Amélie CauchemarApr 14, 20161 votes

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Fair question.

I jumped into ranked WAY to soon... 16 Champions and no complete Rune Page. I also sucked, which didn't help.

As I improved, I wanted to ensure I had Viable Champions 3+ Deep in each Lane/Role... so as you can see I've played almost every Champion since Pre-Season 4 in Ranked. The idea was to not 'rush' up a Ranking on the merits of 1-2 Champions... I felt that made you a 'Gold Garen' or 'Gold Ashe', not a 'Gold PLAYER'. If you look at my Shen and Braum, 62.5% Win Rates with 2.75 KDA range... I could climb with either or both of them easily but then I'd be in a Higher Elo and get stuck on another Champion that I'm not as good with, so what's the point in that? (New Ranked System changes this, as you can basically ensure your Best and 2nd Best Roles).

So basically I went from sucking overall to improving but 'gating' myself to force a larger Champion Pool. I could likely climb with Shen and Braum, but still feel I need to be better on more Champs (my ADC Game is improving, for instance) to improve my chances. Just not to the same depth as I felt before.

Also, I'm a 'student of the game' type of person. I generally tend to study and gain knowledge, but that doesn't always mean you can execute on that knowledge. Even with Shen or Braum I probably would top off in Gold Range, though some friends I play with suggest my Braum and Shen would be higher. So that is saying that even on my 'Best Champions' I'd still only get so far. On really mechanical Champions, like Zed, Orianna or reset Champions like Katarina and Akali I'm not nearly Mechanical enough to get what I should out of them.

My Knowledge, in most cases, is likely far ahead of my Ability... and I can admit that.

Pick 6 champions and niche yourself into two roles.

It's a waste of time to be good with every champion. Already been down that road. All you do is hurt yourself and gate yourself into a lower mmr. If you think being "gold" with every champion is going to get you anywhere you are mistaken. For example: The higher you climb the more often you'll run into one trick ponies who spent their entire career learning that one lane on two or three champions and they will fuck your world up and then go hard carry everyone else. Aaaaand this only gets worse and worse and worse. Even the challenger players pool is roughly 5 champions in one role with one or two back ups in an off role. And realistically that's about how it should be.

KillerKellApr 14, 20161 votes

I didn't mean to suggest I was trying to have a pool of 120, but my idea was to have about 5 Champions per Lane/Role/Type (about 20-25 Total) that I could rock a steady 'Bronze 62.5% 2.50 KDA' type of Ability with.

Which is not to say Winning Percentage or KDA define your ability with a Champion... I've got a great WP on some Champs I absolutely suck with, and my Leona KDA is surprisingly way less than I felt my play on her would suggest.

Of course, this was before the Dynamic Q Ranked, when you might go all day and never get your Top 2 Roles.

Now it's much better suited for having 1-2 Roles, about 4-6 Champions, to push hard with. Ironic, as I finally start showing some ability at ADC, which is completely foreign from the rest of my Pool (mainly Tank Engage and Utility Engage... or Top/Jungle/Support).