I'm very happy that Riot is considering setting the early surrender to 15 minutes.
I just wish it was here already.
Most games that 4 people want to end at 15 minutes, end up losing anyway. Though there is that 2% of games that are actually won, but at least for norms games it should be active right now. Please hurry ;3
Love, Ace
DepressedAhri4 votesYou said "Early ban"
I think you mean "Early surrender"
AceGeo1 votesOH! LOL. MORNING BRAIN
Ghazter3 votes'Early Ban' means what exactly? You mean making it easier to ff at 15, such as having 4/5 votes instead of the full vote? Or are you talking about something else?
AceGeo1 votes4/5 votes rather than currently 5/5 votes
Dragfin2 votesI'm very happy that Riot is considering setting the early ban to 15 minutes.
I just wish it was here already.
Most games that 4 people want to end at 15 minutes, end up losing anyway. Though there is that 2% of games that are actually won, but at least for norms games it should be active right now. Please hurry ;3
Love, Ace
Yeah, anything to coddle bad players even more and give them an earlier crutch instead of making them take responsibility for their own gameplay and get rid of surrender altogether. The only players who use surrender for what it was intended is high elo. Low elo wouldn't know the difference between an unwinnable game and the hole in their ass. It is abused at low elo and should be deleted from the game.
Ghazter2 votesYeah, it's great when you're in low elo and you have that one-trick nunu mid that stole lane from your actual mid, and now they're feeding, to have to play out the full 25 minute game. Games like that should be able to surrender in the first 3 minutes. There should be an option to early surrender in the first 3 minutes if you get a troll like that.
Now, surrender is only really used in low elo if they get really far behind really early and most lanes are stomping, aka 1st tower in under 10 minutes. It's usually not good to have a team that doubts themselves keep playing when they could just get out, because it really does influence gameplay.
Dragfin1 votesYeah, it's great when you're in low elo and you have that one-trick nunu mid that stole lane from your actual mid, and now they're feeding, to have to play out the full 25 minute game. Games like that should be able to surrender in the first 3 minutes. There should be an option to early surrender in the first 3 minutes if you get a troll like that.
Now, surrender is only really used in low elo if they get really far behind really early and most lanes are stomping, aka 1st tower in under 10 minutes. It's usually not good to have a team that doubts themselves keep playing when they could just get out, because it really does influence gameplay.
You don't understand the big picture. You take surrender out of the games and people will get better or they will suffer along with those that they subjected to their bullshit. Eventually they will stop playing or learn to play better. I understand though that because of society today that most of the current gaming base have been encouraged to fail at pretty much everything they do. RIOT and those who make tons of excuses as to why we need to be able to surrender are enablers of that behavior.
Ghazter2 votesMaybe so, but at the same time, you are also not looking at the big picture.
If we make playing bad games to the end a thing, which a lot of games (especially in low elo) are, then Riot runs the risk of losing a substantial amount of players. There are a lot of games that are simply miserable for everyone on one team, and there are definitely enough trolls or inters to need a surrender vote. Not a lot of trolls announce themselves in pre-game.
If you really want this, I challenge you to never EVER accept a surrender vote. It kills the game to remove surrender. League is a big waste of time if you're behind by too much. I'm sure you'll enjoy your hellhole games.
As to 'enabling that behavior', that doesn't enable anything. Trolls already just afk. Do you really think they care about their games more than making other people miserable? If anything, removing surrender is going to INCREASE trolls. If they remover surrender, great, as well as subjecting average, innocent players to a terrible 30+ minutes, they also change NOTHING about the current troll climate. Trolls don't care about being reported, so why would they care about playing a game out? I've seen it more times than I want where they'll just afk anyways.
AceGeo2 votesThe dude is just trolling. Don't feed him :I
Ghazter2 votesI know, I just like arguing sometimes :P
Dragfin1 votesMaybe so, but at the same time, you are also not looking at the big picture.
If we make playing bad games to the end a thing, which a lot of games (especially in low elo) are, then Riot runs the risk of losing a substantial amount of players. There are a lot of games that are simply miserable for everyone on one team, and there are definitely enough trolls or inters to need a surrender vote. Not a lot of trolls announce themselves in pre-game.
If you really want this, I challenge you to never EVER accept a surrender vote. It kills the game to remove surrender. League is a big waste of time if you're behind by too much. I'm sure you'll enjoy your hellhole games.
As to 'enabling that behavior', that doesn't enable anything. Trolls already just afk. Do you really think they care about their games more than making other people miserable? If anything, removing surrender is going to INCREASE trolls. If they remover surrender, great, as well as subjecting average, innocent players to a terrible 30+ minutes, they also change NOTHING about the current troll climate. Trolls don't care about being reported, so why would they care about playing a game out? I've seen it more times than I want where they'll just afk anyways.
You are still looking at what's in front of you and not the big picture. You have no clue to what the big picture is or even means. You see what is going on right now and go from there. You do not understand what eventually would happen if you took away surrender. The reports can continue and accounts will still be banned just like they are today. Eventually those players will die out because they won't have that escape anymore. IMO that could bring new players who will have a better environment to play in. All you talk about is what is happening right now. THAT IS NOT LOOKING AT THE BIG PICTURE. Get edumacated.
You can disagree with me all you want because what I am saying will never happen anyway because those involved with development are too shortsighted to even see how this could help fix the problem.
I have never pushed that button in all my years of playing league. Anything can happen at low elo. Unlike most of the current generation, I was not raised to give up and fail at everything I do. I will always try and find a solution to succeed. I am sorry you and so many others don't have that mindset but you will either obtain it or let real life eat you up.
Ghazter1 votesYou think the trolls care about that because they 'don't have an escape'? NEXT TIME YOU GET AN AFK IN YOUR GAME, TELL ME THEY CARE ABOUT ESCAPING THE ENVIRONMENT.
You clearly aren't open to discussion on this, so that's it, I'm done talking to you. When you're open to other people's point of view. I've tried seeing it your way but it just doesn't add up.
Dragfin1 votesYou think the trolls care about that because they 'don't have an escape'? NEXT TIME YOU GET AN AFK IN YOUR GAME, TELL ME THEY CARE ABOUT ESCAPING THE ENVIRONMENT.
You clearly aren't open to discussion on this, so that's it, I'm done talking to you. When you're open to other people's point of view. I've tried seeing it your way but it just doesn't add up.
And you still only talk about what's right in front of you. Please don't talk to me. You aren't intelligent enough to think outside the box.