"Healing and Shielding supports are balance" Riot Games

Rajinikanth Fan·Mar 25, 2019·1 votes·2,790 views

Nice balance team riot games!

33 Comments

ModThe DjinnMar 25, 201915 votes

I mean, yeah -- when a single assassin with only one complete item jumps a 3-item, Seraph-ready Sona with ult up backed up by a Taric with ult up and an additional ally, and when they land all the ultimates nearly instantly on the correct targets and have Sona ult into Taric + TF stun, you can't assassinate her.

That's fairly normal. To answer his "what are you supposed to do" question, the answer is "don't attempt to 1v3 into two powerful support ultimates and expect to get a kill." It's also worth noting that the enemy team is up a dragon, 5 towers, and 15 kills, so this is likely a lost game at this point, to the extent that the inability of his team to kill anyone isn't surprising at all.

xDogMeatxMar 25, 20192 votes

'noting' excuse my correcting you thing. plus yes he can win the game its not a lost game if he cooperates with his team well uses his knockup to give his lucian/team chance to kill them. instead of being individual

ChaosReynMar 25, 20193 votes

the biggest issue by far is just that - you're expecting solo queue to coordinate. Let alone while behind...let alone while obviously tilted.

xDogMeatxMar 25, 20192 votes

cant expect to get a kill with only 1 lethality (incomplete) item with a tiamat. you need that duskblade first strike thats where wukongs real powerspike is right there.

ChaosReynMar 25, 20191 votes

And yet...obviously you can expect that, because that's exactly what OP seems to expect here.

now whether that's anything more than a pipe dream isn't even a debate: this guy was not going to get a thing from that.

xDogMeatxMar 25, 20192 votes

yep its just that the numbers dont add up i can see if sona was alone (keyword here) by warding. she would have no taric armor or halo shields except embrace. then he can dps her down. if he isolated her he would beat her before she escapes. but this guy wanted to jump in a obviously unwinnable area (mid lane sona with a taric involved) also near enemy base. but yet he decides going 4v1 is the smartest move. plus expects her to die as said earlier having taric armor on.

ChaosReynMar 25, 20192 votes

As behind as he was, I could still almost see sona popping him alone at this point. But emphasis here: He's BEHIND...like, REALLY BEHIND, and she still had seraph's, ult, and arguably decent mechanics.

Don't underestimate good enchanters - I can and have repeatedly 1v1'd assassins as Lulu, if the assassins are sloppy assassins who see me as free gold.

xDogMeatxMar 25, 20192 votes

so very true i play assassins alot enchanters have very deceptive stats. how lulu gives shocking amount of health to adc to prevent assassinations or has higher base damages/with ap/lichbane to kill me instead.

BoltonatorMar 25, 20192 votes

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so very true i play assassins alot enchanters have very deceptive stats. how lulu gives shocking amount of health to adc to prevent assassinations or has higher base damages/with ap/lichbane to kill me instead.

The health Lulu gives is via her Ultimate, which is specifically designed as an initiator ability/assassin repellent. Her E used to be strong as hell but that went out the window with the across-the-board shield nerfs Supports saw in S7. Early-game E for Lulu is better spent harassing enemy botlane for the abysmal shielding it gives vs the surprising damage the damage component does at that stage.

AbiwonKenabiMar 25, 20191 votes

I was thinking that the Taric seemed pretty fed. Supports synergize pretty well with each other, especially when they have plenty of items like Sona and Taric did. Plus the Seraphs.

Rajinikanth FanApr 10, 20191 votes

riot is thinking about nerfing sona and taric combo!

ModThe DjinnApr 10, 20191 votes

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riot is thinking about nerfing sona and taric combo!

Perhaps they are! My point wasn't necessarily that it isn't too strong -- simply that this is an awful example, because this is exactly what I would expect even if they were not considered powerful.

Pandemic PunchMar 25, 201911 votes

Archangel's staff was that huge shield. Guardian rune from Taric blocked a massive amount of burst. I am not shocked that a Wukong died 1v3.

Shielding Supports are weak right now in general because their laning is so atrocious. They are not in a good state when they get countered by poke mages and assassins will blow them up through the shield anyway unless the Support is VERY ahead. Which is a shame because shield Supports are supposed to counter both while being countered by Tank Supports. Right now, both shielding Supports and Tank Supports are both in the gutter. Unless you classify Sona as a Shielder. But Sona has heal AND poke

BoltonatorMar 25, 20199 votes

How long before shield supports are nerfed again because of players like this wukong?

Sona PingMar 25, 20196 votes

Absolutely nothing against the player in the clip; frustration happens. I'm talking about this post.

From invisibility, a 1 item and components champion attacks a 3 item champion and in literally less than a second, according to Twitch, does 75% of their health and the guy says "What the fuck is that? What are you supposed to do versus that shit?" because he wasn't able to take down a massively ahead enemy in a 1v2 into a 1v3 in a game it looks like they were getting smashed because they got abilities in before he Hard CC'ed.

And you come along, see this, and say "Yeah, that's right! What the fuck is that!" and post

"Healing and Shielding supports are balance" Riot Games Nice balance team riot games!

heroikcMar 25, 20195 votes

Never try to outburst a support with more support friends.

xDogMeatxMar 25, 20194 votes

total balance...... halo overshields here. also wanted to say hes not building whisper or cleaver vs taric no wonder hes not dealing damage since taric is tethered on sona.

RagnaveilMar 25, 20192 votes

And he only has one completed item and was 5/4 before the death. He wasn't fed in the slightest, maybe even feeding considering some other factors. A Wu in this meta when behind is a dead monkey.

xDogMeatxMar 25, 20192 votes

if your behind as wukong build shredder build not assassin. (bork/tank item/rageblade, finally tanky items) this is probably not optimal but your E boosts your attack speed so you can go ham there or go bruiser with titanic.

RagnaveilMar 25, 20192 votes

I'm referencing the fact most wukongs I know want to play him assassin and wouldn't ever touch bruiser/shredder. Dont ask me why.

xDogMeatxMar 25, 20192 votes

i know theres a time and a place for each build. assassin build "cough cough" Kayle while shredder/bruiser vs "cough cough" DrMundo as examples. im not perfect either im more than tempted to go to the dark side and build lethality.

RagnaveilMar 25, 20191 votes

Wish Aatrox was allowed to build bruiser. He's just forced to be a full AD meatstick that dies in seconds lol

xDogMeatxMar 25, 20191 votes

thats so dang true. i dont even want to play him now since all he is a "please build all AD on me or else i do tickle damage while having good CC."

Rajinikanth FanMar 25, 20191 votes

Black cleaver wont make a difference, because sona and taric will out heal and out damage wukong!

xDogMeatxMar 25, 20193 votes

who said anything about damaging them as wukong with cleaver he should exist to shred them for his team. hes obviously tilted by not cooperating/being near with his lucian.

RagnaveilMar 25, 20192 votes

Oh yeah, you're that person that spam asked for completely over the top Fiora buffs, I just remembered.

Ri The DragonMar 26, 20193 votes

Bruh you just went in on a 1v4. Are you seriously blaming Taric. Maybe if you had vision or map awareness or started to retreat when you saw his ult begin...

Edit: just realized you only had one item when they had like three. Friend, you are the weakest link.

HethaleanMar 25, 20192 votes

I too wish there was absolutely nothing anyone could do against 1 assassin. Wouldn't league be nice if assassins had no counterplay, then of course let it devolve into just who has the quickest animations, and then we can complain about 'what is there to do when someone can Q, E, R, W in .01 seconds.' or who can burst the hardest with one ability. lol