Like, I see new posts every other day about how overpowered Zoe is, and this and that.. But, let's get real about Ornn. Gets buffed 4 patches in a row to a point that he's literally too strong to lane agains't with anyone at all no matter what they do and he's just allowed to be that broken because he's not fun at all to play so people don't? Why..
Durzaka2 votesHe was literally JUST nerfed last patch (or the one before that) after he spiked to 52% win rate for a couple wins.
Hes now at 48% win rate.
He's fine.
T4underbolt2 votesYou call taking away 2% of his W damage a nerf? After all these buffs he recieved? He spams ult every 30 seconds. Ult that cant be dodged cause its hitbox is completely new level of blitz q broken hitbox.win rate means nothing. Old lb with silence had 45% win rate. She was broken to oblivion.
TheGoomyGamer1 votesThey took away 2% of the w's max health damage. That translates to a max rank w dealing 10% less damage.
T4underbolt1 votesYou try to make it look like its a lot "omfg 10% so much). Its just dmg on his W and now e.g. instead of taking away 400 hp when you are 2000 hp he takes away 360. Wow 40 hp so much difference considering he spams this dumb ability every few seconds. All he needs is one auto to compensate for that damage. I can't understand why people even consider that sht a nerf. Same with many other champs. - 5 base dmg on each level of ability - > "omg riot unplayable, you just dumbstered the champion".
TheGoomyGamer3 votes10% less damage on a spammed ability is even more of a nerf than it would be if it was one with a very lengthy cooldown. And while he does max W first, early laning phase is much less oppressive because the 2% reduced max health damage is 16% less damage at rank one. Like you said, this ability is spammed, so a damage nerf affects it more than it would others. 40 damage off a low cooldown, spammable ability is a big deal.
T4underbolt1 votesIts not since that is just one auto needed for compemsating the damage loss. Ornn is still broken and a free win in top lane. Denying this is like saying that earth is not round.
Narasimha1 votesOrnn is still broken and a free win in top lane.
And yet, his winrate defies that. So something is wrong here. Either you, or the stats. And the thing about raw numbers? They don't lie.
T4underbolt1 votesNo. Winrate below 50% doesnt mean champ is not free win. There is shit ton of other variables that have to be taken into consideration. For thousand timesi repeat: lb with silence had 45% winrate. Did that mean she is balanced? No. She was broken and toxic offering no real counterplay. So is ornn.
Narasimha1 votesWinrate below 50% doesnt mean champ is not free win.
By its very definition it does. It means that if you pick that champion, you are likely to win less than half of your games. Not more. Less.
Did that mean she is balanced? No. She was broken and toxic offering no real counterplay.
Toxic and 'free win' are two entirely separate things. Do not confuse them.
Durzaka1 votesThat took away 10% of his Ws damage.
And just because YOU dont like the nerf doesnt mean shit. It knocked his win rate down 4% with just that one change. Thats a big fucking nerf.
T4underbolt1 votesWin rate doesnt mean sht. It never was and never will unless its completely off certain values. Lb with silence had 45% win ratio. Didnt change the fact she was broken and toxic to lane against with 0 counterplay. Same goes for ornn.
Durzaka2 votesWhat a load of fucking garbage to spew.
You cant compare mechanics when complaining. A mage having a silence is a problem design wise from the start, regardless of everything else.
Ornn has none of that. He just has his damage and CC, both of which he needs, and one of which they already nerfed and that affected him very heavily.
T4underbolt1 votesThe nerfed nothing but 2% of his w dmg. Outside of retarded amount of cc with no cooldown, he has dmg, he has shields, cc immunity on non existant cooldown and passive that gives him even more advantage
Durzaka1 votesYou can say whatever you want about it, that doesnt make it right.
The one change alone dropped his win rate 4%. Which is fucking massive for one single change.
T4underbolt1 votesAnd i repeat that win rate means sht but i guess some people's logic is just not there. 4% is a good start but it is not enough and might be as well wrong direction for the changes. He is oppresive regardless of that change and offers no counterplay.
AlienPrimate2 votesI find Ornn to be a joke of a matchup in top lane. Last time I laned against him he went 0/4/3 with 68 cs because he couldn't come near me after about 5 minutes.
https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2674124351/209287161?tab=overview
Madsin254 votesWell I'm glad your taric cheese pick works for you.
As for the other juggs in the toplane there is absolutely nothing you can do.
AlienPrimate2 votesIs it really a cheese pick when that is who I pick every single game no matter the position?
PhDs Nuts5 votesIs it really a cheese pick when that is who I pick every single game no matter the position?
Cheese is cheese no matter how often you play it.
AlienPrimate1 votesI always thought cheese was something that is terrible if it fails early game. I don't see how Taric is cheese. His kit makes him an excellent counter to anything that can't dodge his stun which is most top laners. The only champions I ever struggle against in top lane are Gnar, Fiora, and Yasuo because like I said earlier, they can't be stunned.
Shablagoo2 votesbecause it is top lane no one cares about top lane not even riot themselves
SP00NS2 votesRight winrate matter so much. Azir was gutted to the point of having 41% winrate so why wasn't he buffed? Only the braindead Ornn main/abusers defend him. Hope people stop crying about Zoe so Ornn gets the attention.
Madsin251 votesIf I am playing top I ban him 100%(Unless of course someone else bans him which happens).
The thing I hate about him is there is literally no way you can compete with this guy with his constant Stuns + slows + shields + % max hp damage. To put the cherry on top though, he doesn't even have to recall.
If you can't control him(GL doing that) before he hits about lvl ~8 you are going to get gang banged by him and the jgler under your tower.
420 grams1 votesMy biggest problem with him is his range, especially with w.
StairCasexd1 votesRelease ornn was fine imo. Then he got his W buffed and started doing damage... I was actually having a bit of trouble understanding why my top laner and jungler were having their hp bars chunked by him when he had no damage items. I do dislike this whole thing of tanks having very high base damages.
Flawless Fetus1 votesThis is kind of like old poppy and xerath. Riot flat out said the reason xerath got reworked is becaues he was broken af, but no one played him. Lol.
Troll for Trump1 votesHonestly the only way the Ornn defenders will know why people hate him is if you pick one of the weak fighters/bruisers (basically everyone that's not Camille/Illaoi).
I feel Ornn is just another symptom of bruisers doing poorly vs tanks.
LordGeovanni1 votesFighters do poolry versus everyone Its because initial defense is bad on everyone melee so when fighters go to build their gimped ad damage items they die due to no defense and when they go for defense they still dont have enough because defense is designed to be bad on full 6 defensive item tanks and when they go defense first they have no infuence and less cc influence than tanks. Then another reason is because all the classes got spell cooldown buffs except fighters and tanks then they also got cooldown items on their damage items which fighters also benifited from but tanks were the only class in old seasons who built 40% cdr
LordGeovanni1 votesOnly one of ornn's buffs even mattered (well his q popping up right behind the enemy after it hit helped a bit but is a QoL Change). Current health damage - Max health damage. This needs to be reverted Sure he will go back to being hit garbage the second they do but it still needs to be reverted. And buff him in other areas. like giving his e an ad ratio or giving his q and e ap ratios. Also what that got to do with op zoe posts. One got buffed into being op after being troll on pbe and live. while one was op from the second they hit pbe
