AD Mage Casters and AP Marksmen? League Theory/Crafting

Blueleo·8/11/2015, 6:39:48 PM·2 votes·1,268 views

Just a thought, I think it would be cool to dabble in this unique space. Has riot ever considered making AD mage casters or AP marksmen? It would be cool to see more diverse items like Guinsoo's Rageblade, Nashor's Tooth, and really, the items present already give way to AD mids, maybe just increase AD ratio on some AD items (but have to balance them somehow so that not all ad marksmen and ad melee champs take advantage of them).

Example: Quinn can easily be an AD mage caster if you reduce her attack speed, give her increased damage to Q, give her increased damage to vault, and give her a new ability for w. Teemo is a prime of example of on who uses attack speed AP item since it scales off of his E. Another champ might be Azir. But if we wanted to make them AP marksmen, just increase their attack speed, up their ap ratios on E (teemo) and solider (Azir) but reduce AP ratios on other skills.

15 Comments

Prospector Pete8/11/2015, 6:42:38 PM1 votes

AD Mage could be someone like Ez

Aatrox Herself8/11/2015, 6:43:40 PM1 votes

Isn't Jayce an AD Mage?

Boomerangbro8/11/2015, 6:43:55 PM1 votes

Kennen

Núll8/11/2015, 6:44:57 PM1 votes

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Rebonack8/11/2015, 6:47:49 PM1 votes

If Koggy ran on AD ratios and did physical rather than magic damage he would be a pretty darn solid ranged AD caster.

I still think he should get passive resist penetration instead of passive IAS on his Q. Already way too many ADCs with free attack speed. Would help better cement his identity.

Posui Gart8/11/2015, 6:48:10 PM1 votes

Varus is an example of both AD mage and AP autoattacker. If you build full AD-he damages with his spells(Q,E), if you build AP-he damages with autoattacks, buffed by W, and with W procs

MudintheWater8/11/2015, 8:19:14 PM1 votes

Teemo and Kayle are both AP marksmen. Good luck finding a team that will let you play them bot lane.

If you ever want to have a rofl stomping fun take AP Teemo and Cass bot lane and kill the enemy adc literally whenever they are dumb enough to get in range.

Icestar11868/11/2015, 8:28:08 PM1 votes

I'd love to see more of these.

7ha7guy7778/11/2015, 8:29:52 PM1 votes

Malzahar can literally be an AD mage. As long as your opponents don't know to kill your voidlings, you can hit 0 abilities and still kill people.

Durzaka8/11/2015, 8:32:55 PM1 votes

The problem with the idea of an AD Mage Caster is AD itemization in general.

The itemization makes it so pretty much any ranged AD champion would rather build like an ADC than like a caster, because that way they can take advantage of their free damage AAs as well as use their skills.

The one rare exception is Varus, who only survives because his poke is so obscenely long, as well as quick travel time.

Without a full AD item rework I dont see it ever working out well.

Moulin Rouge8/11/2015, 8:46:53 PM1 votes

Kog'maw can be an AP marksman.

But most people play him like Xerath. But I've seen the math, AP marksman Kog, currently does more damage than AD kog