Will additional bans ever be added?

Darnyouoldtom··8 votes·1,502 views

Season 1 worlds: 76 champions. 6 bans accounts for about 8% of the champions, 20% of the champions would either be played or banned in any game.

Season 2 worlds: 106 champions. 6 bans accounts for 5.6% of the champions, 15% of the champions would either be played or banned in any game.

Season 3 worlds: 115 champions. 6 bans accounts for just over 5% of the champions, 14% of the champions played/banned in a game.

Season 4 worlds: 120 champions. 6 bans is exactly 5% of the champions, about 13% of the champions played/banned in a game.

Right now 3 bans do not allow for creativity or strategy, it allows teams to ban out champions that are not balanced correctly. I think we can we all agree that it was a complete joke that alistar was available to play for worlds everyone knew that iteration of him was absurdly strong. Before Alistar you had champions like Kassadin or nidalee were basically mandatory bans for periods of time, not because a player was a threat on them, but because ANY player was a threat on them. Teams were forced to waste a ban on alistar/kassadin/nidalee not for strategy but because the champion itself demanded the ban. This is where the current picks and bans fall through. Bans should not be determined by a champion clearly being better than the competition, they should be determined by strategies teams wish to employ, whether it is a specific team comp or target banning a player.

There are a ton of options for picks and bans that can work. Right now the number of bans simply needs to increase otherwise strategy is going to stagnate (I would argue it already has, and games between even teams are not strategy games as much as rock/paper/scissors matches), with bans going to champions that demand it, followed 2-4 popular meta champions. The end result is through the majority of games a single player will play 3-5 champions. Yes you see a couple players breaking this trend, but even the players that play multiple champions still have a core of 3-5 champions they play.

My thoughts on the matter: 5 bans. For us plebeians in solo queue/normals everyone gets a ban, simple enough.

Competitive play again 5 bans, have them at the start, do it like dota where you break up the bans through out the draft phase (This creates actual draft strategies since you can prevent a specific strategy or force a team onto "weaker" champions.) While I think general dota vs lol comparisons should be avoided, the pick/ban phase for dota is infinitely better for the competitive scene compared to LoL's. It promotes strategy and diversity in champion pools, it doesn't matter if one champion is overwhelmingly strong since using 1/5 bans on it is far less punishing compared to 1/3 bans. It allows teams to actually ban to develop a team strategy or truly force a player outside their comfort zone. It is just all around better.

If Riot is really set on the 3 bans, then for competitive play let the teams blind vote on a weekly/tournament basis on champions they want banned collectively. If there is a majority vote on a champion it is simply removed from the pool for that week. This would effectively remove champions teams agree are not balanced at a give time (like say alistar at worlds). If there is no majority then no champion is banned. This is really only a bandaid fix though, either way it is better than the current set up which punishes teams because a champion is not balanced.

I guess my final thought on this matter. Imagine a worlds where Alistar was simply removed from the pick pool and Yasuo, Maokai, Lucian, Lee Sin, Kha'zix, Ryze, Zed, Corki, Tristana, and Zilean could all be banned at one time. What would the games have been like? What champions would have been played? Would it have improved the quality of the games? Would worlds have been more entertaining?

14 Comments

Sailor Mint2 votes

Season 1 ranked only had 4 bans. It was increased to 6 in S2's pre-season patch. The number of played champions has always remained stable at ~60.

We could get away with 2 bans. Right now the only purpose of having more bans is screwing with fotm pickers (i.e.: banning Lucian and Tristana).

Secretbeef2 votes

I think that the number of bans should go up per team...

I would be okay with 4 bans per team but would not be opposed to 5.

PimperGnome3 votes

I think that the number of bans should go up per team...

I would be okay with 4 bans per team but would not be opposed to 5.

5 bans? So when Jinx, Graves, Corki, Twitch, Draven, MF, Cait, Trist, Kog, Vayne get banned and blue first picks Lucian...what ya gonna do?...Go full AD Kennen on their butt?

You can't and shouldn't have more than 3 bans each because of the champ pool, especially in high tiers. It's already possible to take out 6 junglers and have blue first pick jungle and technically give the purple side a scrub pick that will only work situationally...add that into solo queue play where situationally doesn't work because of poor team chemistry you can kiss a chance of victory goodbye.

Drogmyre4 votes

Sooooo, your captain was a big enough idiot to ban every ADC in the game as purple, and ignore literally every other role/FotM champ/unbalanced/Overpowered piece of shit? KNOWING HE'D PICK SECOND?

This is a TERRIBLE argument against higher ban numbers.

The champ pool is EASILY big enough to sustain 5 bans. Dota has a smaller hero pool than LoL, and they still have 5 bans.

PimperGnome3 votes

Sooooo, your captain was a big enough idiot to ban every ADC in the game as purple, and ignore literally every other role/FotM champ/unbalanced/Overpowered piece of shit? KNOWING HE'D PICK SECOND?

This is a TERRIBLE argument against higher ban numbers.

The champ pool is EASILY big enough to sustain 5 bans. Dota has a smaller hero pool than LoL, and they still have 5 bans.

Then go play DoTA

warpenguin5551 votes

I dont get why you are so pissed. IF you ban like that, you deserve to get shit on. Even with the 10 bans, there are still 111 champions left to choose from, and if you cant find somebody to play from that then you shouldnt play ranked.

Sanguinum1 votes

I agree with Drogmyre ... If your captain (knowing he was purple and thus second pick) banned 5 ADCs leaving himself open to a Lucian vs. No decent AD, it's his fault. This isn't a realistic example of something that would happen.

5 bans would allow for a wider range of bans and therefore a wider range of champions played. Who are the common bans right now? Yas? Jax usually? Tristana? Thresh? I mean, we're seeing the same 6 bans over and over again. Time to add more and make that more various, in my opinion.

Darnyouoldtom1 votes

Rather than panic I would realize that only 2/3 of the ADC's are picked/banned and pick Ashe, Ezreal, Sivir, Varus, Quinn...because you know there are twice as many champions now as there were a few years ago it is actually impossible to ban out any position even with 10 bans and a counter pick.

Darkwind1 votes

No, it won't . rito clearly only wants us to have 3 bans each, ppl have been asking for this since like the beginning of season 3

DracosKasu1 votes

I do believe they need to increase the number of ban. It will help the variety and also break the current meta system with the most used champ.

wolfax1 votes

The point of bans is not to ban X% of the champion pool.

Minrog1 votes

After watching the Worlds, it seemed like the biggest issue wasn't the number of bans. It was the fact that certain characters in patches are too strong and the Worlds freeze the patch #. So everybody knows in the tournament that Alistar, Nidalee, Tristana, Zilean are super steroid and you either get one of them on Blue side first pick or ban them out.

It would suck to see all 5 bans targeted toward a support player like LemonNation, given that there are only 8 or so supports total. Maybe they should keep the number of bans at 3 and instead lock out the broken characters tournament-wide. I dunno if that would work though.

Also:

5 bans? So when Jinx, Graves, Corki, Twitch, Draven, MF, Cait, Trist, Kog, Vayne get banned and blue first picks Lucian...what ya gonna do?...Go full AD Kennen on their butt?

There are 18 Marksmen characters, if you count Teemo (heh?). If both teams do ADC mutual destruction you'd end up seeing Urgot vs Ashe or something. The supports you'd have to switch to a secondary AP mage if both teams banned all support characters.

Darnyouoldtom1 votes

Alistar, Annie, Fiddlesticks, Janna, Karma, Leona, Lulu, Morgana, Nami, Sona, Soraka, Taric, Zilean, Zyra. I am sure I missed a few odd ball picks. But that is 14 champions off the top of my head that have seen competitive support play over the last year.

Yikes Thresh I forgot Thresh. So 15 champions.

There are a bunch of champions that definitely can also be played effectively in the support roll (Gragas, Malph, Maokai, and Zac are my personal favorites) but there are a bunch of other off meta picks than wreck havoc as support. You are never really at risk of being banned out at any position in league right now.

I would actually love to see Lemonnation target banned, just to see what he would go with, that is part of the benefits of more bans. It pushes for innovation. I would love to see most pro players target banned, for the same reason. Think of the tanky top meta one of the dullest metas league has seen, with 5 bans that doesn't happen some players would go with other tanky tops others would have prefered to go more carry oriented. Teams that have players that excel on a certain type of game play can actually try and force that style of game play, rather than being forced into a meta because a handful of champions are simply superior at a position. Similarly teams can try to prevent that style of play.

Right now there is no real strategy in pick or bans. It is ban out 2-4 unbalanced champions, then ban out recent fotm champions someone on the other team is performing on, or in a rare case have a specific oddball target ban that a team just doesn't want to deal with (freddy's aatrox at worlds for example). Which is a shame.

warpenguin5551 votes

I would agree. too many of the same champions are being played. more bans could mean more variety

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