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TheConn··9 votes·966 views
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In case you didn't check, there are a total of 6 item 3142 , 5 item 3147 , 4 item 3814 , 3 item 3071 , and 3 item 3035 items in this match I just played. There was not a single AP person in this game, and it was so close that it was only decided because one team had two tanks that could deal with 4 youmuu's on the enemy team.

I don't care if you think it's balanced riot (btw, lethality is overtuned and you're being way to slow to fix it), but it's just not remotely fun to play against, especially if someone is able to get ahead early, because lethality may be the worst snowballing stat players have had the unfortunate situation of dealing with, and is a clearly flawed and poorly thought out design choice for league as it currently stands.

When an item that isn't as necessary as boots gets built every game on so many champions without any clear time that it doesn't need to or even shouldn't be built, perhaps it should get looked at and re balanced quicker than 2-3 patches from when it becomes an issue. You're setting a precedent here because nothing has ever been this clearly abusable in the past, and it's a very discouraging one.

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McFatal2 votes

it wasnt fun with the mage update meta either.

it hasn't been fun.

winning games is not satisfying at all anymore.

ranged champs abusing lethality and mages doing twice my damage while doing half the work

Slythion2 votes

I don't care if you think it's balanced riot (btw, lethality is overtuned and you're being way to slow to fix it)

uh...lethality became overtune last patch and it's being fixed next patch. They are literally fixing it as fast as they can with their patch schedule, js

TheConn4 votes

They've hotfixed overtly busted (and underpowered for that matter) things in the past. And EoN, the biggest offender, is not being touched until _maybe _ 7.5. I'm happy about the black cleaver changes, but 5 lethality off Youmuu's isn't going to do much.

Edit: I'm not just talking about the stat itself either, except in the snowball bit, because each of the items have other nice stats and passives/actives to go with them as well, which are in some cases cough cough item 3814 cough a bit too nice.

Slythion1 votes

I'll agree that EoN is a bit of a problem item right now, but you gotta remember that pen scales of a player's actual damage as well. Each damage nerf in the mastery tree is going to lower the efficiency of lethality to a degree as an indirect nerf

I think Riot is gonna wait to see just how much next patch's changes effect lethality/edge of night before they do any major changes directly to it, which has been their recent balance method recently.

The Scout Girl1 votes

log in jus 2 upvoote and commnt

cardomajig241 votes

It's really weird. It's the start of the new season, lethality is like t-lords when it was introduced:Broken, or at the very least, good enough to use it on most damage-oriented champs. This is especially true when it can force tanks to be more late game and you sometimes NEED turtle mages to help your tanks hold like Veigar and Ziggs because of just how well the enemy team can zone. Quinn is a clear example of this, i've tried counterbuilding her and whatever else people say (though I haven't gotten to try Swain top against her yet) I feel like she's only unbeatable in bot lane especially when she can right click and instaburst you with just a duskblade.

Give riot some time, sure they may be terrible at actually getting things done sometimes but you gotta think-League is not always a competitive game to them, they wanna make it cool and thematic for more casual players, and even just fix some champs that they made terribly to begin with (hence the upcoming vangaurd update). It'll happen when it needs to.[slayer-jinx-catface]

McFatal1 votes

{quoted}

It's really weird. It's the start of the new season, lethality is like t-lords when it was introduced:Broken, or at the very least, good enough to use it on most damage-oriented champs. This is especially true when it can force tanks to be more late game and you sometimes NEED turtle mages to help your tanks hold like Veigar and Ziggs because of just how well the enemy team can zone. Quinn is a clear example of this, i've tried counterbuilding her and whatever else people say (though I haven't gotten to try Swain top against her yet) I feel like she's only unbeatable in bot lane especially when she can right click and instaburst you with just a duskblade.

Give riot some time, sure they may be terrible at actually getting things done sometimes but you gotta think-League is not always a competitive game to them, they wanna make it cool and thematic for more casual players, and even just fix some champs that they made terribly to begin with (hence the upcoming vangaurd update). It'll happen when it needs to.[slayer-jinx-catface]

"but you gotta think-League is not always a competitive game to them, they wanna make it cool and thematic for more casual players,"

i actually just threw up in my mouth a little.

cardomajig241 votes

{quoted}

"but you gotta think-League is not always a competitive game to them, they wanna make it cool and thematic for more casual players,"

i actually just threw up in my mouth a little.

Okay then, so are you going to ignore the fact that most players in this game are casual players? Even some Diamond players say that they don't take this game seriously, and over 70% of the playerbase is in bronze.

I'm not saying i'm happy either, but no one here works at riot besides rioters themselves, you don't know what's going on and you're not getting paid by the higher-ups to balance, code, and test this game (Riot has admitted that their own employees test things sometimes, though the majority of feedback and balancing nonsense is from PBE players). So you don't know what they're having prioritized and you're not in charge and until you are you can't be butthurt about the fact that they're not catering to your every want and desire. Well...you can, that won't always bring change though.

TL;DR Yes it's a casual game, most of the playerbase are casual players, even in high elo, so whine all you want but Riot isn't gonna cater to your every want and need because you whined a little.

TheConn1 votes

League is very much is a competitive game to them at all times. That's where the majority of it's publicity and popularity stem from. I completely agree that they want to make it cool and thematic, but lethality is very much the opposite of this concept, being an oppressive game play element that isn't remotely fun in casual due to that nature.

cardomajig241 votes

{quoted}

League is very much is a competitive game to them at all times. That's where the majority of it's publicity and popularity stem from. I completely agree that they want to make it cool and thematic, but lethality is very much the opposite of this concept, being an oppressive game play element that isn't remotely fun in casual due to that nature.

Well what I meant was they're gonna be prioritizing other things sometimes (The ww rework was put on ice for 4 years and the urgot rework, if I remember correctly, even longer.) I'm not saying i'm supporting their decision to make lethality bs either and wait an eternity to do anything about it, just that they might put this off for awhile in favor of other things.

TheConn2 votes

They have different teams for each of these purposes, including a balance specific team.

But I'm happy my ugly baby urgot is finally on the list /joyous tears/

LordGeovanni1 votes

why does being ugly warrant a game play update though.

TheConn1 votes

He's the least played champion lol

LordGeovanni1 votes

he got an update hes still right where he was before

FrostyPacy1 votes

Then quit?

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