rate kalista's damage

Unlucky Number7·Mar 12, 2015·2 votes·1,001 views

in terms of other adcs. does she do more damage then graves? varus? cause in truth be told Kalista does pay something for her mobility.

19 Comments

Immortal StrifeMar 12, 20152 votes

Fairly low damage output if building hurricane, BT, LW, Bork, MS-her standard build. Probabily less damage than almost all the other ADCs.

Raja ChachkiMar 12, 20152 votes

and then she presses E after shoving spear after spear into her enemy's ass.

disregardableMar 12, 20151 votes

I'd build IE instead of bork and move LW for 5th item. That's the great thing about Kalista- she's not Jinx. Everyone builds her a little differently.

RetillinMar 12, 20151 votes

Why would you build both BT and Botrk? Hurricane, LW, either BT or BotrK, IE.

AriafluxMar 12, 20152 votes

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Probabily less damage than almost all the other ADCs.

You're right, it really is the lowest.

http://champion.gg/champion/Kalista/ADC

JunkοMar 12, 20151 votes

It shows all damage, even to minions and monsters. Since Kalista builds Hurricane and each one stacks Rend, it's obvious that she is gonna have the highest damage of any ADC. If it showed champion only, Graves would have def won, possibly some others like Lucian or Vayne too.

AriafluxMar 12, 20151 votes

Huh? I'm not sure what you are talking about. First of all, it's champion damage. No way an ADC does only 20k-27k damage to minions in a game. Furthermore, she has the lowest damage, I don't know why you are saying she has the highest.

Edit: This shows it better http://champion.gg/statistics/#?roleSort=ADC&sortBy=general.totalDamageDealtToChampions&order=descend

JunkοMar 12, 20151 votes

Cause i'm a retard and read the graph wrong

Unlucky Number7Mar 12, 20152 votes

even at full build she outputs less damage then other adcs with the same amount of gold.

Unlucky Number7Mar 12, 20152 votes

she has no attack speed steroid, so if graves and kalista have the same attack speed items graves would still attack faster. Her rend can't critically hit so it does not benefit from the attack damage, critical strike, attack speed mulitplication, and her passive actually lowers her dps if you jump after every attack.

RazorTSMar 12, 20152 votes

if you stand still and attack then she has more than ashe, but in teamfights probably she has most of them all, just because you can reposition yourself and always be "safe" to attack others

disregardableMar 12, 20151 votes

The problem isn't her damage itself, which is high in bursts, but her attack speed/damage per second. Her early-mid game (think 8-12) is particularly worse than other ADCs. But she does come back once she gets her second full item.

AriafluxMar 12, 20151 votes

Lowest in the game for an ADC.

http://champion.gg/champion/Kalista/ADC

Oh wow, she just dropped below even Urgot.

Drunk RummateMar 12, 20151 votes

she has no burst damage but she makes up for it in sustained damage

in longer fights she will outdamage a champion like graves, especially if you consider how much safer her damage is to sustain.

RetillinMar 12, 20151 votes

She doesn't have a steroid. Instead she has mobility. That's the only thing she "pays". But don't go thinking she does less damage than other adcs by a large amount. Her single target damage is a bit lower, IF you build hurricane. If you don't she does basically the same damage as Ashe/Varus just off auto attacks. If she does build hurricane, she does less single target damage but more over all in team fights because (for some reason) hurricane allows her to rend multiple people in a team fight.

So no, she doesn't really pay much. Maybe 99 cents on the dollar.

Unlucky Number7Mar 12, 20151 votes

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She doesn't have a steroid. Instead she has mobility. That's the only thing she "pays". But don't go thinking she does less damage than other adcs by a large amount. Her single target damage is a bit lower, IF you build hurricane. If you don't she does basically the same damage as Ashe/Varus just off auto attacks. If she does build hurricane, she does less single target damage but more over all in team fights because (for some reason) hurricane allows her to rend multiple people in a team fight.

So no, she doesn't really pay much. Maybe 99 cents on the dollar.

at the moment we aren't talking about her mobility just her damage.

An attack speed steroid means alot to an adc. The whole reason why adc can put out so much damage is because the multiplicative relationship between attack damage, attack speed, and critical strike chance. The adcs with the highest sustained damage all have an attack speed, or attack damage steroid: jinx, tristana, Kogmaw, Vayne, Draven.

Kalista has something like an attack damage steroid in her rend but 1). it does not interact with critical strikes 2). using rend is not a free action(ei she has to stop attacking to use it) 3). it's not reliable, only the most skilled players will be able to calculate the stack required to execute, everyone else will overshoot.

Kalista has no attack speed steroid, she has a pseudo attack damage steroid. using her passive actually lowers her attack speed. with these limitations where would you put her.

can u honestly say that kalista does more damage then Jinx?

RetillinMar 13, 20151 votes

Full 6 item build, the question is does Jinx do more damage than Kalista. Yes, IF, there is no one attacking her. If there is, she loses dps (damage per second) while trying to kite. You can't say "we are talking about her mobility" and then say it's okay for Jinx to ramp up her steroid. For the first two hits, they do the same basically. And if you can't make Jinx move away then you have failed. Also Kalista with her hurricane does MORE damage in a team fight.

Just picking what abilities you wish when saying "X does more damage than Y" is a flawed way of looking at it.

If Mundo does 100 dps for 10 seconds and Jarven does 200 dps for 4 seconds, who does more damage...?